Germans believe that there was US Collusion in 9/11

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-24 03:27pm

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll.

And about 20 percent of Germans in all age groups hold this view, according to a survey of 1,000 people conducted for the weekly Die Zeit.

The poll also said 68 percent of all Germans felt the media had not reported the full truth behind the attacks, in which some 3,000 people were killed when hijacked planes were crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

After the September 11 attacks, there was an outpouring of sympathy from Germans for the United States. Despite misgivings, Germany joined a military campaign against the al Qaeda network that Washington blamed for the attacks.

But as the United States geared up for war against Iraq, relations soured as Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder expressed vocal opposition to the plans.

Although the United States took offense at Berlin's attitude, Schroeder's anti-war stance was popular in Germany and helped him to snatch victory in last September's elections.

Asked whether they believed the U.S. government could have ordered the September 11 attacks, 31 percent of those surveyed under the age of 30 answered "yes,'' while 19 percent overall gave the same answer.

Die Zeit said widespread disbelief about the reasons given by the United States for going to war in Iraq and suspicion about media coverage of the conflict had fostered a climate in which conspiracy theories flourished.

"The news is controlled,'' 17-year-old Kenny Donaubaur was quoted as saying. "You could see that in the Iraq war. It doesn't seem to me that you get the full truth.''

Hmmmm....

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-07-24 03:30pm

The world has been saying it for nearly 100 years now and I'll say it again. Germans are crazy*.

WARNING: May contain humor

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-07-24 03:33pm

Why is it so hard to believe? I bet a big chunk of Americans actually believe Sadam was involved in 9-11. I hear it on the radio talk shows out here, and this is "liberal" California!

I dont understand why people want to believe stuff like this, but it doesnt surprise me.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-07-24 04:45pm

"Pearl Harbor Conspircy" Syndrome.

Just another way to jump on the anti-American feelings popular among many people in Europe. If it wasn't this, it'd be something else.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-24 06:00pm

Time to bring the boys home. American soldiers don't belong in a country where politicians get re-elected on a platform of anti-Americanism.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-07-24 06:02pm

"We Germans are not a violent people."

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-07-24 06:05pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:"We Germans are not a violent people."

What is wrong with that?

The last year or so demonstrated clearly, that we don't even need to be violent. The Americans do all the violence and dirty work , so we can stand at the edge of the field a be spectators.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-24 06:08pm

Tribun wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:"We Germans are not a violent people."
What is wrong with that?

The last year or so demonstrated clearly, that we don't even need to be violent. The Americans do all the violence and dirty work , so we can stand at the edge of the field a be spectators.

Thank you for proving my point.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-24 06:08pm

Tribun wrote:What is wrong with that?

The last year or so demonstrated clearly, that we don't even need to be violent. The Americans do all the violence and dirty work , so we can stand at the edge of the field a be spectators.

Suuure youre just waiting for people to look away from europe long enough to gonk france

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-07-24 06:11pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:"We Germans are not a violent people."

Your point being?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-24 06:13pm

Wow, a third of all Germans are retarded.

Who'd of thought that?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-07-24 06:13pm

kojikun wrote:
Tribun wrote:What is wrong with that?

The last year or so demonstrated clearly, that we don't even need to be violent. The Americans do all the violence and dirty work , so we can stand at the edge of the field a be spectators.
Suuure youre just waiting for people to look away from europe long enough to gonk france

We have switched from conquering Europe to creating a European Superstate. At least that doesn't mean we have to start the next few World Wars.
But you never know... Three's the lucky number <g>

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-07-24 06:16pm

We don't even need a European superstate.

Economically, we already control half Europe. There is no need for political power, when the economical power is already in your hands. Or, to say it otherwise:
"The economical Machergreifung is complete!"

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-07-24 06:19pm

Stormbringer wrote:Wow, a third of all Germans are retarded. Who'd of thought that?

A point that could be noted for any country out there.
You just have to pick the right questions.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-24 06:29pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Wow, a third of all Germans are retarded. Who'd of thought that?
A point that could be noted for any country out there.
You just have to pick the right questions.

Only a retard could possibly believe that the US government would ever allow what happened on September 11th. The idea that they did is complete bullshit and only a mushminded retard would believe it.

The conclusion is clear, you've have a lot retards out there in Germany.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-07-24 06:34pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Wow, a third of all Germans are retarded. Who'd of thought that?
A point that could be noted for any country out there.
You just have to pick the right questions.
Only a retard could possibly believe that the US government would ever allow what happened on September 11th. The idea that they did is complete bullshit and only a mushminded retard would believe it.

The conclusion is clear, you've have a lot retards out there in Germany.

That from a country in which creationism is running at large, a large percentage would be hard pressed to find Asia on a map, ...

I doubt that your populace is in any way less retared than the rest of the world.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-24 06:38pm

Dahak wrote:That from a country in which creationism is running at large, a large percentage would be hard pressed to find Asia on a map, ...

I doubt that your populace is in any way less retared than the rest of the world.

I admit that the US isn't perfect. But face it, you and a third of Germany are the kind of retards that want it to be true so you can justify your self rightous disdain for the US.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-07-24 06:42pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:That from a country in which creationism is running at large, a large percentage would be hard pressed to find Asia on a map, ...

I doubt that your populace is in any way less retared than the rest of the world.
I admit that the US isn't perfect. But face it, you and a third of Germany are the kind of retards that want it to be true so you can justify your self rightous disdain for the US.

typical American arrogance....
Das ist kein Gramm Pulver wert....

Specialist · Post by **Specialist** » 2003-07-24 06:52pm

Amerika ist eins des stummsten Platzes auf Masse und die ist die Wahrheit!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-24 06:53pm

Dahak wrote:That from a country in which creationism is running at large, a large percentage would be hard pressed to find Asia on a map, ...

I doubt that your populace is in any way less retared than the rest of the world.

Notice that Stormbringer never brought up a comparison. He only quipped that if they don't like the U.S., its pretty sad 1/3 of them are idiots.

Notice that you, the personally wounded European retorts with a "you too!" comment.

Shut the fuck up. Strombringer is making a simple observation. You're turning into a U.S. vs. Europe thing, and inciting flames. Do not drag this into that pit just because you got personally offended that 1/3 of Germans are apprently fucking morons.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-24 06:56pm

Tribun wrote:7typical American arrogance....
Das ist kein Gramm Pulver wert....

No, typical disdain for a bunch of morons. Only a moron would beleive that crap. Just because it hurts your feelings doesn't make it wrong. And I suspect that more of those people don't really think that; they'd just rather believe it that to justify their own opinion. Certainly no one could think that from anything resembling a fact.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-07-24 07:15pm

There are far too many unanswered questions on the 9/11 incident, and too many things simply not fitting the official agenda as that I could say I believe the "proof" (well, or the lack thereof) the US has been presenting so far. So, to make you happy, you can count me in at least on almost bordering on the "30% crowd" over here.
And unless I got presented water-tight proof and plausible explanations for the multitude of fuckups that allowed 9/11 to happen - and for the surprising speed with which the "usual suspects" were being blamed - I'm not gonna change my mind.
With the attitude to truth and revelations the recent US government shows it's rather hard to keep up the pro-US stance I've had so long...

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-07-24 07:21pm

There is a qualitative difference between having a population that harmlessly believes God created the Earth 5000 years ago.... it is stupid but harmless.....

.....and seriously believing that the US government knowingly and actively plotted in a terrorist atrocity? Come on.

It is one thing to be in protest of American policies, but this is a level of stupidity that borders on the insane. It ranks more along the lines of UFOs bulding the pyramids and other X-Files.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-24 07:35pm

A point of order: one third of Germans under 20 are idiots. Only 19% of the whole population is stupid.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-07-24 07:41pm

Howedar wrote:A point of order: one third of Germans under 20 are idiots. Only 19% of the whole population is stupid.

Even if it were true, what you said, then in a mathematical correct way, the number of idiots under 20 in the US are way over 60%.