Would the following heroes kill?

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2003-07-24 09:15pm

A coalition of Q, Thanos with the IG, The Living Tribunal, and hundreds of assorted generic omnipotents take the following to a cornfield in Kansas, where they'll have to either strangle a man to death or the cities of Metropolis, New York, and Gotham will be destroyed. They know that this man is completely innocent of any crimes, often volunteers at a local homeless shelter, a loving husband, and is a selfless parent.

Any attempt at cheating will be meet with the destruction of the Earth.

What would they do?

Punisher

Batman

Robin

Nightwing

Batgirl

Spider-Man

Mister Fantastic

The Invisible Woman

Cyclops

Captain Marvel(DC)

Feel free to add any..

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-24 09:21pm

If given a complete no win clause then yes, most if not all would...which somewhat defeats the purpose.

The problem is they are all dedicated to saving lives(and Punisher wouldn't even lose sleep...he'll see this as a boon) and while one man completely innocent and not doing any wrong, they are suddenly thrusted into either sparing his life and killing billions for a simple moral question...some would do it without hesitation, other would commit suicide, and other still will just mull it over.

The problem is that it's better to give them the chance to find another path and fail rather then say "This man or the world!"...because in that circumstances...no hero is that pure.

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2003-07-24 09:27pm

Ghost Rider wrote:If given a complete no win clause then yes, most if not all would...which somewhat defeats the purpose.

The problem is they are all dedicated to saving lives(and Punisher wouldn't even lose sleep...he'll see this as a boon) and while one man completely innocent and not doing any wrong, they are suddenly thrusted into either sparing his life and killing billions for a simple moral question...some would do it without hesitation, other would commit suicide, and other still will just mull it over.

The problem is that it's better to give them the chance to find another path and fail rather then say "This man or the world!"...because in that circumstances...no hero is that pure.

I was acutally wondering more along the lines of what the hero's reaction would be. Would they eventually get over it or would they just shot down? Which would have the most difficulty with the decision?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-24 09:30pm

Oh for that ...that's easy.

Spiderman, Batman would likely commit suicide or go catatonic. Literally they have taken one of their principle values and shattered it.

Captain Marvel, Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Reed, Sue, Cyclops would give up being a superhero.

Punisher would have a bad night of sleep.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-07-24 09:46pm

I agree with the above.

The only Superhero that would probably flat out not do it would be Silver Surfer, he'd try to kick the villans asses instead. He might be able too. Silver Surfer vs Q in a fight would be cool as hell if Q doesn't move through time in the fight.

I noticed no Superman. Guess ya wanted the Villans to have a hero they could control.

Actually, I think most heroes would do it and either commit suicide or retire. Batman would probably kill himself right afterwards, same with Spiderman.

Or Batman would try to find a way to kill all the villans. Knowing Batman, he just might.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-24 10:21pm

Q's a pansie. Batman could kick his ass while he was gloating over another hero.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-24 11:35pm

Ghost Rider wrote: Punisher would have a bad night of sleep.

Don't be so sure about Frank.....he does have a heart, you know. You just
don't see it very often

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-24 11:59pm

I'm not too sure about Nightwing... He might...

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-25 01:56am

Ghost Rider wrote:Oh for that ...that's easy.

Spiderman, Batman would likely commit suicide or go catatonic. Literally they have taken one of their principle values and shattered it.

Captain Marvel, Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Reed, Sue, Cyclops would give up being a superhero.

Punisher would have a bad night of sleep.

In most cases, for the sake of the story line, it would usually be someone they know. Batman would have to kill, oh let's say Tim Drake or perhaps Nightwing. Spiderman would have to kill Mary Jane or JJJ.
They would usually be thrust on this morally ambiguent little reenactment of the story of Abraham in an archetypical way befitting comic book hero plotlines.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-07-25 04:59am

Why would Q, Thanos, the Tribunal and others do this? Thanos would see doing such a thing as petty and not worth the sweat off his balls. The Tribunal has more pressing things to do, like keeping a balance in the universe by zapping galaxies and shit. The other cosmic gods would be the sameway, too busy to mettle with such a senseless task.

Surfer would get his ass handed to him in a fight against the Cosmic gods.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-07-25 05:47pm

Ghost Rider wrote:If given a complete no win clause then yes, most if not all would...which somewhat defeats the purpose.

The problem is they are all dedicated to saving lives(and Punisher wouldn't even lose sleep...he'll see this as a boon) and while one man completely innocent and not doing any wrong, they are suddenly thrusted into either sparing his life and killing billions for a simple moral question...some would do it without hesitation, other would commit suicide, and other still will just mull it over.

The problem is that it's better to give them the chance to find another path and fail rather then say "This man or the world!"...because in that circumstances...no hero is that pure.

How 'bout Rorschach?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-07-25 06:09pm

They're superheroes, remember? They'd figure out a way to save everybody. Haven't you seen Spider-Man?

Other than that, yeah, you guys got it right.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-07-25 06:21pm

Sriad wrote:How 'bout Rorschach?

Rorschach, for all his violent sociopathy, doesn't allow a lesser evil to go unpunished even to avert a greater one.

That's the whole point of his last scene, remember.

He wouldn't, even in the face of an omnipotent being, back down. We saw him plainly not doing so.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-08-01 11:33pm

Let's see.

Punisher: Probably yes.

Batman: No. He's proven time and again that he will not kill under any conditions whatsoever -- he repeatedly spares even the most hardened supervillains, knowing full well that sooner or later they'll escape and start harming innocents again.

Robin: Don't know much about him, but given that he's Batman's sidekick I doubt it.

Nightwing: Former Robin, if I recall correctly. A bit more ruthless than Batman, but still won't kill.

Batgirl: Another Batman protegee, also won't kill.

Spider-Man: Nope.

No idea on any of the others.

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