Animatrix - Cain and Abel (Matrix crossover)

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-25 02:25am

Hmmm...Nuking them all. SkyNet has a fetish for that don't they?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-25 02:48am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Hmmm...Nuking them all. SkyNet has a fetish for that don't they?

Skynet's strategy is simple. Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-25 04:10am

Stravo wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Hmmm...Nuking them all. SkyNet has a fetish for that don't they?
Skynet's strategy is simple. Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

So very true.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-07-26 12:31am

Stravo wrote:
David wrote:Russell<-----

Good update Stravo, although saying that a person who is a computer operator has the abitily to perform major surgery on someone's central nerve system without amost instantly killing them is stretching it thin.

"I'm going to learn Kung Fu?"

How far of a strecth for Neo and Trinity to download a suregry program with Link doing his best to help out with the equipment?

*smacks Forehead*

duh forgot about that. But on the other hand how good do you think Neo would be at yea old Kung Fu in real life? He'd have his ass handed to him real fast I'd bet, since having the knowledge isn't enough. It takes years of repetition and training to even be decent at any of the martial arts.

I certainly wouldn't want any medical student working on me, even if he had years of being in the class room, if he didn't have any practical experience. Neo and Trinity might have unshakable control over their hands in the Matrix, but have they done anything in real life to give their real hands that kind of fine control?

Of course, being Stravo, I gladly suspend my disbelief.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-07-26 12:34am

Stravo wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Hmmm...Nuking them all. SkyNet has a fetish for that don't they?
Skynet's strategy is simple. Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

Have you watched the Animatrix 2nd Reniessance movies? I believe humans did much the same thing in an attempt to disroy both the machines and 01, the machine's city. It didn't work and the machines came back and crushed the human militaries.

Of course I assume Skynet would be more thourough.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-26 12:35am

David wrote:
Stravo wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Hmmm...Nuking them all. SkyNet has a fetish for that don't they?
Skynet's strategy is simple. Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

Have you watched the Animatrix 2nd Reniessance movies? I believe humans did much the same thing in an attempt to disroy both the machines and 01, the machine's city. It didn't work and the machines came back and crushed the human militaries.

Of course I assume Skynet would be more thourough.

You're assuming something about Skynet's target.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-07-26 12:46am

Stravo wrote:
David wrote:
Stravo wrote: Skynet's strategy is simple. Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark.

Have you watched the Animatrix 2nd Reniessance movies? I believe humans did much the same thing in an attempt to disroy both the machines and 01, the machine's city. It didn't work and the machines came back and crushed the human militaries.

Of course I assume Skynet would be more thourough.
You're assuming something about Skynet's target.

AH.......aha!

Well hurry up and post another chapter.

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Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-07-26 01:27am

David wrote:
Have you watched the Animatrix 2nd Reniessance movies? I believe humans did much the same thing in an attempt to disroy both the machines and 01, the machine's city. It didn't work and the machines came back and crushed the human militaries.

They were doing airburst nukes via planes (were did all the ICBM's go? and the AI had exactly ZERO anti-air?!?)

Against harded ground targets, that does exactly jack.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-07-26 05:59am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
All Morpheus said was "the mind has trouble letting go." Adults simply have a harder time psychologically coping with the adjustment. It is safe to assume such individuals become psychologically and/or mentally unstable or handicapped.

I believe Crown would probably be correct in this case. During development the brain undergoes physical changes in the synpases as a part of synaptic plasticity. Most of who you are has had a solid foundation built during within the first few years of your birth to adulthood with a steady decline. Of course when you reach adulthood there is still a certain amount of plasticity occuring and neurogenesis that occurs in a few spots, but that's basically it.

Yes, there is a certain amount of psychological impact, but there's also a very real physical network your brain sets up to what it was exposed early on to.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-26 09:15am

David wrote: Have you watched the Animatrix 2nd Reniessance movies? I believe humans did much the same thing in an attempt to disroy both the machines and 01, the machine's city. It didn't work and the machines came back and crushed the human militaries.

Of course I assume Skynet would be more thourough.

Yes, but the machines no longer protect themselves against EMP as they did at that time.

And besides, Skynet is very good at nuking, it did after all kill off half the worlds population in the original timeline, despite that being near impossible without many more nukes.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-26 10:36am

Trytostaydead wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
All Morpheus said was "the mind has trouble letting go." Adults simply have a harder time psychologically coping with the adjustment. It is safe to assume such individuals become psychologically and/or mentally unstable or handicapped.
I believe Crown would probably be correct in this case. During development the brain undergoes physical changes in the synpases as a part of synaptic plasticity. Most of who you are has had a solid foundation built during within the first few years of your birth to adulthood with a steady decline. Of course when you reach adulthood there is still a certain amount of plasticity occuring and neurogenesis that occurs in a few spots, but that's basically it.

Yes, there is a certain amount of psychological impact, but there's also a very real physical network your brain sets up to what it was exposed early on to.

I dunno. "The mind has trouble letting go." Always seemed to me to mean, "eh, they might go crazy."

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-07-26 10:39am

"Most of these people are not ready to be unplugged Neo. Their minds are so hopelessly dependent on the system they will fight to protect it."

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-07-26 10:41am

Stravo wrote: You're assuming something about Skynet's target.

DO NOT READ EXCEPT STRAVO

Those human pods aren't very well shielded are they? And a good size nukes could destroy the towers they're attached to, kill them all...

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-07-26 02:09pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Stravo wrote: You're assuming something about Skynet's target.

Those human pods aren't very well shielded are they? And a good size nukes could destroy the towers they're attached to, kill them all...

GREAT! You've just ruined the pleasant surprise! Edit your post immidiately!

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2003-07-26 04:34pm

Excellent Stravo, truly excellent. Skynet really likes nukes indeed. Afterall it doesnt consern it one bit whether or not earth is a radioactive wasteland

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-07-26 07:44pm

Wouldn't it be a kick in the shins if Skynet were the means to effectively reset the Matrix? A way to eliminate the Smith virus and help destroy Zion and/or help set up the new Zion?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-07-27 03:15am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Trytostaydead wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
All Morpheus said was "the mind has trouble letting go." Adults simply have a harder time psychologically coping with the adjustment. It is safe to assume such individuals become psychologically and/or mentally unstable or handicapped.
I believe Crown would probably be correct in this case. During development the brain undergoes physical changes in the synpases as a part of synaptic plasticity. Most of who you are has had a solid foundation built during within the first few years of your birth to adulthood with a steady decline. Of course when you reach adulthood there is still a certain amount of plasticity occuring and neurogenesis that occurs in a few spots, but that's basically it.

Yes, there is a certain amount of psychological impact, but there's also a very real physical network your brain sets up to what it was exposed early on to.
I dunno. "The mind has trouble letting go." Always seemed to me to mean, "eh, they might go crazy."

True, however I was also thinking (but didn't post) at the begining where Sipher (?) was telling Trinity how she likes to keep watch over Neo 'We're going to kill him, you know that?' and then when the bringing him into the ship he is in extreme shock and he says 'He's going to pop!'. I don't know if the last point was in the same scene, it could have been later when Morpheus was showing Neo the history, so I could be mistaken about that.

Regardless I was originally commenting on that the implants were put into humans at an early age, not after the pathways have been set as I would imagine that it would be next to impossible to place the inputs in then without some major damage to the brain.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-07-27 01:42pm

I'm with IP on this, the idea that they have to be embryos doesn't make any sense to me or in general, and the way it was described in the movie indicated it was psychological and in the Animatrix we have an adult person waking himself up by sheer strenght of will and stubborness, nor was there any indication anywhere in the movies that it would be physical.

I've always thought tho that they simply did not know how the interface worked.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-07-27 01:46pm

Trytostaydead wrote:Yes, there is a certain amount of psychological impact, but there's also a very real physical network your brain sets up to what it was exposed early on to.

Ofcourse, but do you intend to say this is in favor of Crown's theory?
I do not see how it does that, there's no medical reason why the implants would have to be put in at a very young age.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-27 02:53pm

Perhaps the interface is calibrated to interface with humans then they just paste loads of stemcells over it which grow into the comminucating brain suborgan...or something...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-07-27 03:00pm

Rye wrote:Perhaps the interface is calibrated to interface with humans then they just paste loads of stemcells over it which grow into the comminucating brain suborgan...or something...

That sounds nonscensial to me.
How about it just takes alot of effort to put in? I don't see what reason there is for there to be anything special or exotic about it that would make it neccesary to put it in at the embryotic stage.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-07-28 12:49am

comminucating brain suborgan

ahhhh no.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-07-28 07:00am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Stravo wrote: You're assuming something about Skynet's target.
DO NOT READ EXCEPT STRAVO

Those human pods aren't very well shielded are they? And a good size nukes could destroy the towers they're attached to, kill them all...

Also those sentinals arent even harded against EMP at all.

I would venture to guess almost all of the matrix 's structure isnt harded in any way shape or form.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-07-28 08:22am

Hey, if you saw the 2nd Reanissance, didn't you see some of the machines install the plugs on the adults by doing a..... messy process. Opening up their backs, putting the plugs in.... ugh....

And that was during the first time the machines did it, perhaps the humans found a way to replicate the procedure, and they might also have better technology as well.... better than those original "surgeon" machines.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-28 10:19pm

What i'd like to see is a bit like in that animatrix episode where they take a terminator into their construct matrix and make it choose to join them.