Where did Palpatine find the time

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-25 10:21am

The spirits of Sith Lords have longer longevity because they are "anchored" to locations or individuals. The Sith necropolis on Korriban for the ancient Sith Lords' spirits, and Kyp Durron and the Sith Temple on Yavin IV for Kun.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-25 10:49am

I disagree about Anakin not finishing his training as Jedi, Obi Wan states that Anakin was a Jedi Knight. "I was a Jedi KNight same as your father."

The end of AOTC is similar to TPM so I assume that the trails for Anakin was his duel with Dooku and he would be given the title Jedi Knight (MY assumption)

Luke says in ROTJ "I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

Anakin was a Jedi, he simply fell from grace. Why would Palpatine want a dark Apprentice who had not fully developed his Force skills? He took Dooku who was a Jedi Master so I think Palpy likes to have them 'house broken' before he gets to them.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-25 11:07am

Stravo wrote:*snip*

I see none of the above requiring that in Episode III the Council declare him a Knight.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-25 11:08am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Stravo wrote:*snip*
I see none of the above requiring that in Episode III the Council declare him a Knight.

Are you saying the EU states that Anakin was NOT a Jedi when he turned?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-25 11:12am

Do you really think the official act of passing his trials and recieving the Council's blessing is absolutely necessary for Obi-Wan and Luke to refer to him as a Jedi?

I doubt Luke even knew about the specific technicalities of becoming a Knight. He may have never have officially become one, suffice that Obi-Wan in retrospect consider him one before he turned.

EDIT: It is simply that I think it is too early and too contraining and pretensious to make all these assumptions based on wispy interpretations of dialogue, and proceed to make contraints on Episode III based on preconceptions.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-25 11:15am

I just think it kind of defeats the purpose of the arc, you know he becomes a Jedi, turns to the dark side, redeems himself and returns to the light. At the end of ROTJ he is wearing Jedi robes in ghost form. (I can hear IP's eyes rolling all the way here in NYC

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Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-07-25 11:17am

Stravo wrote:I just think it kind of defeats the purpose of the arc, you know he becomes a Jedi, turns to the dark side, redeems himself and returns to the light. At the end of ROTJ he is wearing Jedi robes in ghost form. (I can hear IP's eyes rolling all the way here in NYC )

Man, I understand you're a lawyer, but does the exact technical procedures need to be followed through for the spirit of the law...er... story to be there?

EDIT: And those desert robes should not be Jedi uniformes, dammit.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-25 02:55pm

Stravo wrote:I disagree about Anakin not finishing his training as Jedi, Obi Wan states that Anakin was a Jedi Knight. "I was a Jedi KNight same as your father."

Luke says in ROTJ "I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

THey also refer to Obi Wan Kenobi as "Master Kenobi" in AoTC even though he hasn't formally obtained the rank if im remembering right, but what you say is also true. Though Anakin by the looks of how he was in EpII I would find it hard to believe he was ever truly in grace to begin with. All questions will be answered in Episode II but even if he had the training and skills of a jedi knight perhaps there is one thing he doesn't or is unable to do to obtain that rank, something to deal with letting go of anger and rage perhaps and it could be that action which spurns him to the dark side.

Anakin was a Jedi, he simply fell from grace. Why would Palpatine want a dark Apprentice who had not fully developed his Force skills? He took Dooku who was a Jedi Master so I think Palpy likes to have them 'house broken' before he gets to them.

You mean just like he did with maul right? Ohhhh waiiiiitttt n he did raise maul from his youth, perhaps even infancy.

Dooku was a quick replacement for Maul because Palpatine could not afford to spend another lifetime training a disciple. I would think though that a Sith master would want an apprentice who hadnt fully developed his skills yet, to instill great amounts of loyalty would be one reason and to mold the apprentice as he sees fit. Chancellor Palpatine Forseeing that Anakin Skywalker would become a great jedi also sends me a message that he knew Dooku would be a temporary subordinate. Dooku trying to turn Obi Wan to the Dark Side also sends me a message that Dooku was looking for an apprentice the same as Vader wanted to do with Luke, Kill Palpatine and take the power for himself.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-07-26 11:53pm

As already mentioned, there are extant rumours that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine does not frequently sleep (a sort of idealised form of the Caudillo's reputation for sleeping little and working continuously throughout the day without apparent need to take refreshment or relieve himself). If this is true, there are any number of reasons this could be true, including the use of the dark side, or the use of drugs, or even force of will (as mentioned, the Caudillo was of the latter category; the Cardinal de Richelieu was also ).

However, the simplest answer is that Palpatine quite simply had all the time in the world to train his Sith Apprentices. It has been an established, canonical fact since 1993 that he can bilocate, via the dark side power Dopplegänger. If he is able to be simultaneously present in two different places, it can easily be seen that he has 48 hours available per day.

Publius

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-27 12:08am

Publius wrote: It has been an established, canonical fact since 1993 that he can bilocate, via the dark side power Dopplegänger. If he is able to be simultaneously present in two different places, it can easily be seen that he has 48 hours available per day.

Publius

Established since 93? Source?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-27 12:19am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Publius wrote: It has been an established, canonical fact since 1993 that he can bilocate, via the dark side power Dopplegänger. If he is able to be simultaneously present in two different places, it can easily be seen that he has 48 hours available per day.

Publius
Established since 93? Source?

Dark Empire.

The power Luke used to fool Leia and gang when they thought he was leaving Byss.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-27 12:21am

Ohhhhh, when I saw Doppelganger is was like wtf?

that would take ultimate concentration though, but if anyone could it would be a Sith Master

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-07-27 12:46am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Publius wrote: It has been an established, canonical fact since 1993 that he can bilocate, via the dark side power Dopplegänger. If he is able to be simultaneously present in two different places, it can easily be seen that he has 48 hours available per day.

Publius
Established since 93? Source?

The Dark Empire Sourcebook, published in 1993, specifically stated that Emperor Palpatine possesses the dark side power Dopplegänger, which was first seen in Dark Empire when Supreme Commander Skywalker used it to lure his family away from Byss. Even then, it was referred to as "a dark side trick".

Publius

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-27 01:27am

The Dark Empire Sourcebook, published in 1993, specifically stated that Emperor Palpatine possesses the dark side power Dopplegänger, which was first seen in Dark Empire when Supreme Commander Skywalker used it to lure his family away from Byss. Even then, it was referred to as "a dark side trick".

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Yeah yeah i gotcha, its kind of like a holonet transmission except with the mind, course when I saw the word doppelganger I thought it was an actual physical...aw fuck it I already explained.

Would even palpatine though be able to use that skill though and really be in two places at once? I would assume a state of concentrationn just being seated or in a meditation position to accomplish that feat, so while he projected his form he would not really be doing much on the other end.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-07-27 02:58am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Publius wrote:The Dark Empire Sourcebook, published in 1993, specifically stated that Emperor Palpatine possesses the dark side power Dopplegänger, which was first seen in Dark Empire when Supreme Commander Skywalker used it to lure his family away from Byss. Even then, it was referred to as "a dark side trick".

Publius
Yeah yeah i gotcha, its kind of like a holonet transmission except with the mind, course when I saw the word doppelganger I thought it was an actual physical...aw fuck it I already explained.

The question of whether or not the Dopplegänger is real is actually a fairly complicated philosophical one. According to the Dark Empire Sourcebook:

This power creates a doppleganger of the person using the power. The doppleganger is an illusion, but to those who interact with it, it will seem real. The user can sense all normal senses through the doppleganger, and the duplicate seems to have form and substance: the doppleganger registers as normal on all droid audio and video sensors. Those who are with the doppleganger believe it to be a real person. The doppleganger acts with half the skill dice of the person using the power. The user must roll once every five minutes to maintain the doppleganger; if the Jedi stops using the power or the doppleganger is fatally injured, it simply fades away.

Which of course raises philosophical questions. Is the Dopplegänger real or is it not? The text assumes that it is not real, because it is strictly an illusion. However, the first question raised is, what is real? Is real that which can be empirically detected by the senses, as the empiricists and sceptics maintain, then the Dopplegänger is indeed real, as real as any man.

Would even palpatine though be able to use that skill though and really be in two places at once? I would assume a state of concentrationn just being seated or in a meditation position to accomplish that feat, so while he projected his form he would not really be doing much on the other end.

It is implied by Dark Empire that Supreme Commander Skywalker was using a Dopplegänger while actively moving about the Citadel.

Publius

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-27 04:15am

As much as I just looooooooooooooove using sourcebooks for reference....

But the questions were answered.