Which Conservative did the most damage to The Right Wing

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-26 04:39am

That's right, come from all walks of life, which consercative Pol shot his own cause in the foot the Worst in the 20th century?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-26 04:40am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:That's right, come from all walks of life, which consercative Pol shot his own cause in the foot the Worst in the 20th century?

Probably McCarthy, who severely overextended by naming George C. Marshall as a communist, which was ludicrous.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-26 04:42am

I would tend to agree with that assesment, Him and Nixon proved that pissing off the media is fatal to any politician...

On the other hand Ford's "Three stoogies" era of the presidency kinda hurt our stature. The only reason he didn't die in office, is that Drugged out hippies, make really bad assassins... (Adding even more to the "Keystone Kops" level of notority for that era...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-26 06:57am

Dubya, going from my own experience- though I don't know what 'shooting his own cause in the foot' means, I just looked down my nose at the Republicans ever since Dubya was in charge. Before that, Clinton caught my ire, and I had a favorable opinion in terms of both Bush 41 and Ronald Reagan, at least for not being cockups and the controversial things they did happening before I gave a toss.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-26 10:04am

To me, it's a tie between McCarthy and Nixon. McCarthy made the mistake of assuming all socialists of being anti-democratic, not just the old-school communists. However, being in company with Nixon is just as embarrasing... because he was, well, Nixon.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-07-26 12:22pm

Tail Gunner Joe.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-26 12:42pm

Racing to label Dubya is rather short-sighted. History's verdict is not in on him yet, despite appearances to the contrary.

Richard Nixon was actually a pretty moderate Republican, hardly your traditional conservative ("we're all Keynesians now"), so I would say McCarthy. He gave communists the worst thing a conservative could ever possibly give them: martyrdom.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-07-26 02:34pm

Durran Korr wrote:Racing to label Dubya is rather short-sighted. History's verdict is not in on him yet, despite appearances to the contrary.

I believe things could well get worse for him. But we'll have to wait and see.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-07-26 03:25pm

Durran Korr wrote:Racing to label Dubya is rather short-sighted. History's verdict is not in on him yet, despite appearances to the contrary.

It takes a long time for history to judge people. Though I notice that Bill Clinton is never really given that benefit.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-26 03:42pm

McCarthy. Ugh.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-26 06:23pm

McCarthy, so far. Dubya second.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-07-26 11:09pm

I'd say McCarthy. Goldwater was pretty extreme, but it didn't do any lasting damage to the Republicans. I'll put Hoover second, though I'd blame the Stock Market Crash more than I'd blame him.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-26 11:12pm

Hoover almost joined the Dems (he was a progressive who was courted by both parties). History would have indeed taken an interesting turn had he done do...

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-07-27 12:58am

I'd say tailgunner Joe takes this.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-27 03:06am

Interesting to see that like the Nixon Kennedy Debates the voting does not reflect the outcome of the debates.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-07-27 11:43am

Hoover hurt the conservatives so much that Democrats won the next five consecutive terms.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-07-27 11:44am

Interesting to see, that over the half thinks, that Doublewju the second has made the most damage.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-07-27 01:19pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Interesting to see that like the Nixon Kennedy Debates the voting does not reflect the outcome of the debates.

A lot of people just seem to be putting GWB without actually posting why.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-07-27 01:48pm

phongn wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:Interesting to see that like the Nixon Kennedy Debates the voting does not reflect the outcome of the debates.
A lot of people just seem to be putting GWB without actually posting why.

I think that in the long run, GWB has more potential to do damage than any of the above - if he'd failed any MORE drastically in the runup to the invasion, he'd have had Germany, France, Russia and China declaring war on us. His foreign policy is a godawful mess and his domestic policy is nearly nonexistent. America simply does not need a man like that in the White House.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-27 02:04pm

Andrew J. wrote:Hoover hurt the conservatives so much that Democrats won the next five consecutive terms.

Truth be said, that was FDR, lets see you try and defeat a wartime preseident

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-07-27 02:12pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:Hoover hurt the conservatives so much that Democrats won the next five consecutive terms.
Truth be said, that was FDR, lets see you try and defeat a wartime preseident

FDR was reelected twice before the US entered the war (1936 and 1940), and Truman once after the war was over (1948), though.

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