Elf ears

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-24 04:31pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:BTW, I do believe that Hobbits, like Kinder and Halflings, are decended from fey or elves.

I was always under the impression Halflings/Hobbits are from human stock.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-07-24 04:32pm

SirNitram wrote: I was always under the impression Halflings/Hobbits are from human stock.

Yes, but they are still half fey.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-24 04:33pm

D&D Halflings or Tolkien's Hobbits?

Because I believe Tolkien states that Hobbits have more relation to men than anything else (one reason they're called the "big folk" and the "little folk").

I'll have to look it up to be sure, though...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-24 04:47pm

Okay, I don't exactly have time to look through Letters or the HOME volumes, but I found this on The Encyclopedia of Arda:

A mortal race almost certainly related to Men, though their origins are unknown. Their most distinguishing feature was their short stature; even the tallest Hobbits rarely exceeded four feet in height.

Originally a widespread people, hobbits were found in much of the north of Middle-earth and down the Vales of Anduin. As the Third Age passed, the Hobbits moved north and west, eventually founding the land of the Shire in III 1601.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-24 04:56pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:
SirNitram wrote: I was always under the impression Halflings/Hobbits are from human stock.
Yes, but they are still half fey.

Well... considering that Tolkien has Aragorn as the descedant of a Half-Elf that chose mortality, wouldn't that make his lineage Fey?

I'd have to find which Index states how the Hobbit came to be. Could it be possible that Hobbits get their longevity and odd features from a lessor branch of the same line as Aragorn?

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-24 07:47pm

Tolkien never described the exact origin of Hobbits, but he did state that they were an offshoot of Men similar to the Druedain (Wild Men). The only human/elven unions were Beren/Luthien, Tuor/Idril, Aragorn/Arwen, and the marriage between one of Finduilas's maids and Imrazor the Numenorean that led to the Princes of Dol Amroth. No Elves were ever known to have married a Hobbit. (Though there is a mention that one of the Took ancestors might have taken a fairy wife...)

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-07-24 08:25pm

Then Aragorn is half-elven, obviously. Personally, I don't like Tolkien.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-24 10:48pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Then Aragorn is half-elven, obviously. Personally, I don't like Tolkien.

... Half-Elven?

Maybe... remember that the original Half-Elf patriarch started the line before Sauron even forged the Ring Of Power, iirc. The blood would be either really thin... or built back in from intermarriage over centuries with cousins (and cousins of cousins, ad nauseum)

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-07-25 08:52am

I guess at this point I should say that I have never read The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-25 03:02pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Then Aragorn is half-elven, obviously. Personally, I don't like Tolkien.
... Half-Elven?

Maybe... remember that the original Half-Elf patriarch started the line before Sauron even forged the Ring Of Power, iirc. The blood would be either really thin... or built back in from intermarriage over centuries with cousins (and cousins of cousins, ad nauseum)

Yes, Aragorn has only a tiny smidgeoun of elvish blood and for that matter an even smaller smidgeoun of Maiar blood. But in many ways he's a "throwback" toward the old half elven sires of the House of Elros.

Now Aragorn's children will be more than half elven.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-07-26 11:28pm

To the dude about Record of Lodoss War:

Do not buy, by any chance, even if that means you will die, the Legends of Heroic Knight Lodoss series. You have to buy the older one, even if the animemation is worse (But then Heroic Knight is not that good either). It is much superior, plus they have the better kickass villains Ashram and Pirotess (a dark elf) which rock. They are destroyed in the Heroic Knights by the new storyline as most of the stuff.
I will repeat, Legends of Heroic Knight is crap, absolute crap. Be safe...

Now Halflings are not related to elfs in D&D, they are created out of thin air by Yondalla, their goddess. And in D&D they are not "fey" like nymphs or driads, but humanoids, just like Elfs, orcs or goblins are not feys as well.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-07-26 11:49pm

I think an elf would have it pretty good in reality, if anyone here knows what its like to have their ears played with, think what itd be like for an elf with lodoss style ears.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-07-26 11:54pm

LT.Hit-Man wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Oh, and Record of Lodoss War is very very good.

The only reason I don't have it right now is because I sold my old crappy set so that I could eventually get the better new set.
Hmmm ok then I just might get it, is it out on dvd?

Possibly.

In short: The Rocord of Lodoss Wars OAV is what the Dungeons and Dragons movie should have been.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-07-27 12:56am

hmm interesting thought could half orcs be the Urak hai from TTT and ROTK?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-27 01:10pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:hmm interesting thought could half orcs be the Urak hai from TTT and ROTK?

The Urak-Hai were a sorcerous mix of Goblin, Orc, and Man, IIRC

Nova Andromeda · Post by **Nova Andromeda** » 2003-07-27 01:25pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:I guess at this point I should say that I have never read The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

--That's horrible! What would it take to convince you to read the trilogy?

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-27 01:37pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:hmm interesting thought could half orcs be the Urak hai from TTT and ROTK?
The Urak-Hai were a sorcerous mix of Goblin, Orc, and Man, IIRC

And Goblins were tortured elves subjected to other stuff, I believe.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-27 05:19pm

Lord of the Rings is not a trilogy. It is one book that was divided into three volumes for publishing conveniance.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-27 05:46pm

Exonerate wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:hmm interesting thought could half orcs be the Urak hai from TTT and ROTK?
The Urak-Hai were a sorcerous mix of Goblin, Orc, and Man, IIRC
And Goblins were tortured elves subjected to other stuff, I believe.

No, the Orcs were captured Elves that Melkor (Sauron's master, and Evil Valar) tortured and twisted. That's why Elves try to kill them whenever possible.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-07-30 06:29pm

Hitman, I rather enjoyed Lodoss War. I reccomend buying it. There's just one beef I had... I never see a ordinary human grunt kill a golbin or kobold, or other evil monster type thingie... That's why I laughed when the leader of Marmo (the bad guys) made references to their "losses." So I came to the conclusion that the men of Valice are nothing compared to those in Gondor.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-31 02:28am

SAMAS wrote:
LT.Hit-Man wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Oh, and Record of Lodoss War is very very good.

The only reason I don't have it right now is because I sold my old crappy set so that I could eventually get the better new set.
Hmmm ok then I just might get it, is it out on dvd?
Possibly.

In short: The Rocord of Lodoss Wars OAV is what the Dungeons and Dragons movie should have been.

Given that "Record Of Lodoss War" actually was based upon somebody's D&D campaign, it's not surprising.

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-07-31 02:41am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
SAMAS wrote:
LT.Hit-Man wrote: Hmmm ok then I just might get it, is it out on dvd?
Possibly.

In short: The Rocord of Lodoss Wars OAV is what the Dungeons and Dragons movie should have been.
Given that "Record Of Lodoss War" actually was based upon somebody's D&D campaign, it's not surprising.

Realy? well now your learn something new everyday

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-07-31 04:43am

Kelly Antilles wrote:I guess at this point I should say that I have never read The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Hrmm. There must be some way to arrange for this to be remedied, surely, or 'else there is some specific reason why not?