Commander Subtitution Normandy!

[Isolder74]

Who would do the best job replacing Eisenhower as the commander of the Allied Forces at Normandy. Who could do as good or better than Eisenhower at Normandy?

James T. Kirk


Jonathan Archer


Jean-Luc Picard


Captain Benjamin Sisko


Admiral Ackbar


General Carlist Rieekan


General Jan Dodonna


General Maximilian Veers


Grand Moff Tarkin


Admiral Piett


Now lets assume they have had the proper training with all of the Allied Weapons and Equiptment and have been aprised of all German war materials and tactics. They have also been informed of the Ultra secret(the dreaking of the Germans codes) They know of all imformation Eisenhower would know.

[Isolder74]

Janeway was on the pole but there was one slot to many so she got the ax!

[Isolder74]

Remember to post a comenarty explaining why you picked the commander you did.

[Howedar]

Kirk: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.
Archer: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.
Picard: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.
Sisko: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.
Ackbar: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.
Rieekan: Maybe. He did okay at Hoth, given what he had to work with.
Veers: Maybe. He did well at Hoth.
Tarkin: No. He's a politician, not a general (although granted, Eisenhower was a politican too )
Piett: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.



Dodonna: We have a winner! Eisenhower was a strategist in charge of the entire ETO, not a small-time divisional commander on the beach. Dodonna, based on his work on the DS1, appears to be more of a headquarters guy. This is what is needed to replace Ike, not some hot-headed battlefield commander.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Somehow my brain keeps seeing ATAT's wading ashore at Omaha Beach...

Those German artillery is just giving our soldiers too hard of a time. Maximum fire power.

[Dalton]

Tarkin: No. He's a politician, not a general (although granted, Eisenhower was a politican too )

Ackbar learned all he knew about tactics and strategy from Tarkin.

[Gandalf]

I say Veers, he's pretty much the only land commander there.

[Darth Fanboy]

Tarkin: No. He's a politician, not a general (although granted, Eisenhower was a politican too )

Ackbar learned all he knew about tactics and strategy from Tarkin.

Lets not forget Tarkin was a military commander in the Old Republic as well.

[Howedar]

Tarkin: No. He's a politician, not a general (although granted, Eisenhower was a politican too )

Ackbar learned all he knew about tactics and strategy from Tarkin.

Okay. At any rate, Tarkin is a naval man, not a ground pounder.

[Isolder74]

Somehow my brain keeps seeing ATAT's wading ashore at Omaha Beach...

Those German artillery is just giving our soldiers too hard of a time. Maximum fire power.

That's funny!

Of course they all have use the normal Allied Equiptment.

[Isolder74]

Kirk: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

even so he is a fair commander of men on the ground, I'd wager to say the best Star Trek has to offer!

Archer: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

And not a very good one at that!

Picard: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

no he's a diplomat!

Sisko: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

He did command at that AR-something or other

Ackbar: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

He is a excellent commander and has a very good grasp of tactics. And he is willing to let the lower downs make the disions about their units with out extra micromanagement.

Rieekan: Maybe. He did okay at Hoth, given what he had to work with.

Considering what he had coming at him he did extreemly well.

Veers: Maybe. He did well at Hoth.

This is the guy who lead the victory at Hoth. He is well trained in ground combat and should do fairly well.

Tarkin: No. He's a politician, not a general (although granted, Eisenhower was a politican too )

He is like Ike. Ike was a General first a politition later. Tarkin gained his position by bring victories for the Empire and he is the creator of the Tarkin Doctrine. I wouldn't but it past Tarkin to simply bomd the coast until there are only craters left!

Piett: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

And a leader of Stormtrooper and directs boarding operations. He could be good at positioning the troops.

Dodonna: We have a winner! Eisenhower was a strategist in charge of the entire ETO, not a small-time divisional commander on the beach. Dodonna, based on his work on the DS1, appears to be more of a headquarters guy. This is what is needed to replace Ike, not some hot-headed battlefield commander.

Good pionts but where is your vote for Dodanna?

[Peregrin Toker]

Kirk: No. He's a starship captain, not a land commander.

even so he is a fair commander of men on the ground, I'd wager to say the best Star Trek has to offer!

Still, he probably knows very little about combined arms tactics.

As for my vote - it goes to Veers. He's the only one we've seen successful in ground combat, and the Imperial Army's variety of vehicles and weapons means that he probably knows how to use their 20th century counterparts.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

He is like Ike. Ike was a General first a politition later. Tarkin gained his position by bring victories for the Empire and he is the creator of the Tarkin Doctrine. I wouldn't but it past Tarkin to simply bomd the coast until there are only craters left!

IIRC, Tarkin was promoted for to <rank unknown> for landing his shuttle on a group of rioters on some planet somewhere. He used his politicol cunning to move up the ranks, propose th Tarkin Doctrine and take on Raith Sienar's idea for a "Expeditionary Battle Planetoid" ie- the Death Star.

From that, I see little if any actual command experience in any sort of war-making, ground or space.

Anyways, I pick Veers. Cold as steel, a professional killer.

[Darth Fanboy]

He is like Ike. Ike was a General first a politition later. Tarkin gained his position by bring victories for the Empire and he is the creator of the Tarkin Doctrine. I wouldn't but it past Tarkin to simply bomd the coast until there are only craters left!

IIRC, Tarkin was promoted for to <rank unknown> for landing his shuttle on a group of rioters on some planet somewhere. He used his politicol cunning to move up the ranks, propose th Tarkin Doctrine and take on Raith Sienar's idea for a "Expeditionary Battle Planetoid" ie- the Death Star.

From that, I see little if any actual command experience in any sort of war-making, ground or space.

Anyways, I pick Veers. Cold as steel, a professional killer.

Tarkin was promoted to Grand Moff for that effort.

Tarkin served in the Old Republic Navy, confirmed in the EU (See Rogue Planet) after events at Zonoma Sekot.

So ppphhbt

[TurboPhaser]

no he's a diplomat!

Uh, what the hell do you think he was doing for 7 years? You think he was just a passenger with the best seat in the house?

Any of them would be just as good, because they can just call their respective starship and bomb the enemy into oblivion. [/code]

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Are they dropped in right before D-Day, or do they got mounths to plan?

All ST guys do not. They are starship commanders, not ground forces. And with the exception of Kirk, their tactics in ground combat is early 19/18th centurys.

Ackbar, Piett, Tarkin and Donna lose. They're Admirals, politicians and Starfighter forces.

Rieekan and Veers do the best, since they're the only ground Generals. Though I'd much rather have them AFTER D-Day.

[HRogge]

Somehow my brain keeps seeing ATAT's wading ashore at Omaha Beach...

Those German artillery is just giving our soldiers too hard of a time. Maximum fire power.

The allies were very lucky ( spelled: GOOD undercover operation ) that the Germans had no ammunition for the anti-ship artillery... if they had the allied ships would have been wrecks before they reached the street... most of the allied solders were killed by standard machine gun fire.

[Stravo]

I agree that the Trek guys would be out of their league and on the ground the most we've seen Kirk do is handle small unit tactics effectively (all other Trek captains were awful awful ground commanders)

Ackbar and the other naval commanders would also be out of tehir league in terms of ground warfare. You can't just mix and match commanders from various command branches like the TV's and Movies do. So we have to go with the ground commanders and Veers always has a special place in my heart as a cool calm calaculting ground commander. He was one of the few Impoerial commanders that didn't seem to lose 100 IQ points when confronting the rebels.

BTW Isolder I stole your Kirk picture.....will be showing up as my avatar soon.

[Mitth`raw`nuruodo]

I agree with Stravo. Veers is a ground commander, he knows what to do in these situations. Ackbar and the other naval commanders probably would not be suited for this kind of warfare, for reasons that have already been stated.

[Tribun]

The trek guys are already out of the picture, they were too incompetent and all Starfleet (=navy).

Ackbar is Navy and therefore not competent for land war. (But good in the navy sector)

Tarkin, I'm not sure. But I heared, hed managed the succesfull occupation of Ghorman.

Rieekan and Dodonna surely are competent stategists in both, army and navy.

Piett is not army. But he is VERY got in the navy stuff. Do you think, that he could take the place of Admiral Nimitz as the comander of the combined sea/air forces?

Veers is by far the best man for the job. He is a very competent general.

So Veers it is.

[Tribun]

Hey...

Could you just open a second thread, were all the Navy guys were tested if they could replace Admiral Nimitz or make it even better than him?

[Frank Hipper]

Historically, Naval commanders can prove themselves quite adept at combat on land. Admiral John Jellicoe, for instance, proved himself to be capable, heroic, and highly innovative in Egypt when he was a Lieutenant during the Mahdist revolt.
So there's no real reason to disregard a naval commander in this scenario, it's just unorthodox.

Admiral Piett it is!

[Isolder74]

Are they dropped in right before D-Day, or do they got mounths to plan?

All ST guys do not. They are starship commanders, not ground forces. And with the exception of Kirk, their tactics in ground combat is early 19/18th centurys.

Ackbar, Piett, Tarkin and Donna lose. They're Admirals, politicians and Starfighter forces.

Rieekan and Veers do the best, since they're the only ground Generals. Though I'd much rather have them AFTER D-Day.

No they would alll get the same lead time as Ike.

[Isolder74]

[quote="Isolder74"]Now lets assume they have had the proper training with all of the Allied Weapons and Equiptment and have been aprised of all German war materials and tactics. They have also been informed of the Ultra secret(the breaking of the Germans codes) They know of all imformation Eisenhower would know.[/quote]

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Hey...

Could you just open a second thread, were all the Navy guys were tested if they could replace Admiral Nimitz or make it even better than him?

I don't think leading a navy at sea is quite the same thing as leading a navy in space; and one who excels in one backdrop of a navy (for Piett, space) will most likely not do well in another (the sea).