Star Trek vs Star Wars : If games were canon

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-29 01:31pm

You can have hundreds of capital ships, but they can't do a thing against the Death Star without a fighter squadron.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-07-29 05:00pm

Alyeska wrote: I do not recall anything in SW games that could help. Hell, I think the SW games would hurt SW and SW would be better off staying with the standard canon.

Except Invincible TIE Fighters, and MISSLE BOATS.

Star Wars Rebellion, although a fun game, just kills the Empire though utterly kills SW tech also.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-29 05:18pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Alyeska wrote: I do not recall anything in SW games that could help. Hell, I think the SW games would hurt SW and SW would be better off staying with the standard canon.
Except Invincible TIE Fighters, and MISSLE BOATS.

Star Wars Rebellion, although a fun game, just kills the Empire though utterly kills SW tech also.

Cheats do not count. I might as well pull all the cheats out of the other Trek games. We are talking about the intent of the games, not their cheats. Besides, the Missle Boat is already accepted (although its 1-1 against an ISD is now cemented) and it still wouldn't stand a chance against the SFC forces. Your ISD can BDZ a planet? The Federation battleship can DS the planet.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-29 05:27pm

Alyeska wrote:I do not recall anything in SW games that could help.

Valley of the Jedi (Jedi Knight)- There's an alternate timeline where Kyle Katarn can create "supernova of stars with a thought and eradicate all life from a star system a whisper" and rules a reborn empire.

Come to think of that, he (Rahn) says that thousands of jedi could do it anyway.

(This is all official anyway, as it's in a cutscene. - it may be low, but it's still part of the hierachy.)

So, Emperor Katarn + Map of Fed + <150 seconds = no more feddies.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-29 05:42pm

NecronLord wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I do not recall anything in SW games that could help.
Valley of the Jedi (Jedi Knight)- There's an alternate timeline where Kyle Katarn can create "supernova of stars with a thought and eradicate all life from a star system a whisper" and rules a reborn empire.

Come to think of that, he (Rahn) says that thousands of jedi could do it anyway.

(This is all official anyway, as it's in a cutscene. - it may be low, but it's still part of the hierachy.)

So, Emperor Katarn + Map of Fed + <150 seconds = no more feddies.

You evil git. Then again I can pull the Organians out since they are from SFC.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-29 07:50pm

If it included WEG, I could point out my scaling which puts the DS main gun as powerful enough to shatter a dyson-sphere sized solid sphere.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-29 08:00pm

SirNitram wrote:If it included WEG, I could point out my scaling which puts the DS main gun as powerful enough to shatter a dyson-sphere sized solid sphere.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-29 08:01pm

Um, whoa. Thats a lot of energy.

Holy fuck.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-29 08:04pm

Playing with Mike's planetary destruction calculator, assuming density equal to Earth, thats somewhere between 6.9 E56 and 3.67 E64 joules!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-07-29 08:47pm

Howedar wrote:Playing with Mike's planetary destruction calculator, assuming density equal to Earth, thats somewhere between 6.9 E56 and 3.67 E64 joules!

What is this statistic based on, exactly? What's the quote?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-29 10:02pm

evilcat4000 wrote: Armada might offer some real challenge. Ships in that game have powerful special weapons which if used properly could prove decisive...

An SSD in the Armada ST vs. SW mod is all but indestructable and belches forth obscene amounts of firepower at uber-ranges. One SSD in that mod will lay waste to an entire Feddie fleet.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-29 11:10pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Howedar wrote:Playing with Mike's planetary destruction calculator, assuming density equal to Earth, thats somewhere between 6.9 E56 and 3.67 E64 joules!
What is this statistic based on, exactly? What's the quote?

WEG's damage statistics, maximum power a DS2 is capable of producing, and the Ep II ICS.

It's obviously fucked up(More logical calc's put the DS superlaser at normal levels and ISD-II cannons in the PT range).

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-07-30 12:54am

An SSD in the Armada ST vs. SW mod is all but indestructable and belches forth obscene amounts of firepower at uber-ranges. One SSD in that mod will lay waste to an entire Feddie fleet.

Depends on which mod you are playing with. In Armada II Dominion Ulimate mod Jem'Hader Attack ships can slaughter Defiants en masse while the reverse was seen in the show. And once you have built an artificial wormhole you can bring in Dreadnaughts and Battleships from the gamma quadrant at an insane rate.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-30 03:57am

Alyeska wrote: You evil git.

Thank you

Then again I can pull the Organians out since they are from SFC.

I thought they were from TOS?

Oh. And Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia and Mon Mothma cannot be killed at all. They can be injured, or captured but they can never, ever die. - SW Rebellion

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-30 04:00am

Or in the case of Vader and Palpatine, they can be killed but not permanently.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-30 08:21am

Howedar wrote:Or in the case of Vader and Palpatine, they can be killed but not permanently.

How?

I once blew Coruscant away with the Emperor on it and he was only injured.

IIRC, doing that made it impossible for the rebels to win. They had to control coruscant you see...

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-07-30 12:23pm

According to XWA, the DS2 fired a ship-blowing-up blast every 10 seconds. Since that was supposed to take 1 minute per blast, the DS's reactor is 6 times as effective as we all thought. That means about a dozen planet shattering blasts a day. According to SWGB, the DS was about 50 metres in diameter (compare its size to troopers). That means the reactor was less than 1 metre in diameter, but could shatter over a dozen planets a day. Stick a dozen of those on a corvette, and an hour later, there is no more Federation.

Build a full-sized DS, and you can blow up large portions of the galaxy (including Federation fleets, planets, etc.) with that much firepower.

Muahahahahaha!

And it doesn't take years to get a fully trained soldier, it takes about 30 seconds, and a few minutes for really kick-ass units like Dark Troopers. Since each planet undoubtably has thousands of troop centres, that's thousands of unit's per minute.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-07-30 12:30pm

If we're going to go a little further into Rebellion. It takes ~60+ days to travel from one end of the galaxy to another with a 80/80 hyperdrive and ~4 days from one system to another. How slow is that?

~JAson

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-30 12:45pm

Soontir wrote:If we're going to go a little further into Rebellion. It takes ~60+ days to travel from one end of the galaxy to another with a 80/80 hyperdrive and ~4 days from one system to another. How slow is that? ~JAson

I remember that. That annoyed me so much I edited it to be more reasonable...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-30 02:57pm

NecronLord wrote:I thought they were from TOS?

They are ciritical in the plot of both SFC and SFC2.

So, if we used the games we would have one hell of a bloody battle going between the sides. Federation fleets would cut through Imperial fleets like a hot knife through butter. The Imperial fleets might win through attrition, but it would be tough. Then you have the super beings from both sides battling to the death. Oh yes, this would be fun to watch.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-30 03:01pm

Alyeska wrote:Federation fleets would cut through Imperial fleets like a hot knife through butter.

Until they meet the invunerable death star.

I say again. Invunerable.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-30 03:28pm

NecronLord wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Federation fleets would cut through Imperial fleets like a hot knife through butter.
Until they meet the invunerable death star.

I say again. Invunerable.

I don't know... With Fed Battleships being capable of DS style attacks... Then again if the DS can pop a sold sphere of Neutronium 2 AUs in diameter, its going to be hella tough.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-30 03:35pm

No, I mean no number of ships are even capable of shooting the thing. Only fighters, and then only those belonging to the rebel alliance are capable of attacking it. and AFAIK there's no federation fighters with torpedoes capable of making the kind of turn needed. (even then they'd need to analyse the designs, which they don't have)

Also, is this explosion a chain reaction, is it as violent as the alderann explosion?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-30 03:37pm

Alyeska wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Federation fleets would cut through Imperial fleets like a hot knife through butter.
Until they meet the invunerable death star.

I say again. Invunerable.
I don't know... With Fed Battleships being capable of DS style attacks... Then again if the DS can pop a sold sphere of Neutronium 2 AUs in diameter, its going to be hella tough.

Then, of course, there's the WEG quote that a vehicle's reactor devotes 25% of it's power to shields and less than that to weapons...

Finally, the WEG DS can simply fire on the star's and render the system's uninhabitable.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-30 03:37pm

NecronLord wrote:No, I mean no number of ships are even capable of shooting the thing. Only fighters, and then only those belonging to the rebel alliance are capable of attacking it. and AFAIK there's no federation fighters with torpedoes capable of making the kind of turn needed. (even then they'd need to analyse the designs, which they don't have)

Also, is this explosion a chain reaction, is it as violent as the alderann explosion?

IIRC the planet shatters into several large pieces that blow away from eachother at speeds faster then the ships can move in game.

As to making the turn. No such turn is required. The vent is almost perfectly pointing straight up. Course that means flying in against an ungodly number of TLs, but thats what it takes.