if you know you are right, dont change. ever.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-07-29 10:06pm

I have been thinking about this for a while. As we have seen some on this board who have change their beliefs and exchange them for an inferior position I thought this may be a good discussion to start.

The internet has provided a valuable resource for some to be able to exchange ideas and get information. But in some areas it also opens up Christian's to beliefs that they would have never been exposed to without it.

I think it is important for the ongoing increase in spiritual maturity and stability that certain beliefs be thought out thouroughly in light of scriptures and the Holy Spirit and then the door to that belief be closed to any further challenge.

I know on the surface this may seem like closed mindedness but I think on some areas of our lives we need to start closing our minds to any other possibility.

Every morning upon going to breakfast, upon pulling out my chair to sit I do not study and contemplate the science of if and why it will hold me. I have put that area of my life to bed. It will. I have closed my mind off to the idea that it would not. Now the things of God are much more reliable than that chair. These things I think we should establish an understanding of what they are and close that door. Do not let any outside influence even address it with you anymore.

Now I am talking about major points here but i think that Christians ought to form their own doctrinal statement defined and researched and then stand on that statement. Do not open those door any more. Not according to circumstances of life. Not because the person you fell in love with is a different religion. Not because these are old fashioned beliefs. Not for anything in the world hold onto these fundementals.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God?

Then find out why scripturally and shut this door! Do not let anyone open it up again.

Do you believe that the Word of God is, and is infallible and authoratative?

Again shut this door.

There are many areas of doctrine to discuss but the things that were one time called fundamentals of the faith need to be a permanent platform on whuch christians can stand as the base and growth can occur with that base.

If we constantly reach for every wind of doctrine there will never be any stability in our lives and no platform in which to build our faith upon.

Ephesians 4:3 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

I encourage all to exercise themselves on the creation of your personal statement of faith and doctrinal statement.

~Bhiles, rr-bb

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-07-29 10:21pm

One of these days this guy will sit in a chair with only three legs, and he will fall.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-07-29 10:39pm

First, he needs to define the 'Inferior Position'.

Second, that was rather long winded for someone to say "Be thickheaded". Sounds like this guy wants to remain stagnant and not grow.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-29 10:43pm

this guy could be perfect for one of those stories about a scientist who is
suddenly forced into a situation where his lack of faith is brought to question
and he cant answer but to accept god.

i can imagine someone rigging his chairs so they do not support his weight
then when they see him fall to the ground they can say "your faith in the
chair clearly was unsubstantiated. god is like the chair. give him up now
before he fails you." or something like that, to counter those silly tales the
fundies make up.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-07-29 11:14pm

Peter knew he was right (according to Jewish law), but had to change his viewpoint and take in new information in Acts 10 (since you're talking about Christianity, I decided to pull an example from the Bible itself). Obviously, there are circumstances when one's viewpoint must change.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-07-29 11:31pm

Bhiles from RR-BB wrote:I have been thinking about this for a while. As we have seen some on this board who have change their beliefs and exchange them for an inferior position I thought this may be a good discussion to start.

An "inferior" position? This is not a good start.

But in some areas it also opens up Christian's to beliefs that they would have never been exposed to without it.

Which is a good thing. The internet forums are like a peer reviewed journal for your beliefs; if they cannot stand up to scrutiny, then they fall. Best for everyone involved.

I think it is important for the ongoing increase in spiritual maturity and stability that certain beliefs be thought out thouroughly in light of scriptures and the Holy Spirit and then the door to that belief be closed to any further challenge.

It's important that you don't do that. A critical part of life is being open to possibility that you are wrong. Even your most basic assumptions can be wrong. If you "close the door" to this possibility, then you have essentially decided your beliefs are more important than reality.

I know on the surface this may seem like closed mindedness

Not just the surface.

but I think on some areas of our lives we need to start closing our minds to any other possibility.

This logic can be applied to anything. It's just denial of the possibility that you can be wrong. Any religion, even any person, could use this reasoning to decide whatever they want and then refuse to change it.

Every morning upon going to breakfast, upon pulling out my chair to sit I do not study and contemplate the science of if and why it will hold me.
I have put that area of my life to bed. It will. I have closed my mind off to the idea that it would not.

Yeah, and then one day when the chair breaks, turns out you were wrong. But by this reasoning, the chair never broke, because you can't be wrong about it.

Now the things of God are much more reliable than that chair.

But then again, at least we know the chair exists.

These things I think we should establish an understanding of what they are and close that door. Do not let any outside influence even address it with you anymore.

And a Wall of Ignorance is born.

Now I am talking about major points here but i think that Christians ought to form their own doctrinal statement defined and researched and then stand on that statement.

So that one day it can break, just like your analagous chair. But since you're closed to the possibility of it breaking, you'll have to ignore this, too.

Do not open those door any more. Not according to circumstances of life. Not because the person you fell in love with is a different religion. Not because these are old fashioned beliefs. Not for anything in the world hold onto these fundementals.

Because everyone knows that your first thoughts are always right, no matter what evidence is gathered later.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-07-30 02:59am

What is it with Christians and their chairs, anyway? Sheesh.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-30 04:09am

Sriad wrote:What is it with Christians and their chairs, anyway? Sheesh.

I love my chair, and i'm with it right now. Yet I'm not really a practicing Christian. Perhaps my love of my chair transcends my love of religion...

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-07-30 10:01am

So, what that guy is saying is that everyone should adopt whatever beliefs they damn well want and then spend the rest of their lives with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed, screaming "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA".

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-07-30 10:07am

The guy just admitted that he thinks people should close their minds to new information if they contradict their preconceived notions. Pathetic.

Is this really typical for RR? I suppose I shouldn't find that surprising. Fundies, when pushed to the wall, will always admit that they elevate Scripture over everything else: science, logic, observation, everything.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-07-30 11:22am

Talen: you have no idea how badly you scared me that you had gone over to the other side of stupidity and illogic, then i saw that your post was just a retelling of some stupid fundie, thank god.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-07-30 03:09pm

Darth Wong wrote:The guy just admitted that he thinks people should close their minds to new information if they contradict their preconceived notions. Pathetic.

Is this really typical for RR? I suppose I shouldn't find that surprising. Fundies, when pushed to the wall, will always admit that they elevate Scripture over everything else: science, logic, observation, everything.

yep, its really typical. they ban anyone who posts something controversial, and hide in their closet of ignornace.

the inbreeding is intense.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-07-30 03:10pm

NapoleonGH wrote:Talen: you have no idea how badly you scared me that you had gone over to the other side of stupidity and illogic, then i saw that your post was just a retelling of some stupid fundie, thank god.

hehe. . . I started as fundy, tho not this bad.

I got better

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-30 05:41pm

I would like to yank his chair out from under him.

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