More on the Lynch farce

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-29 11:49am

Acts of heroism attributed to Lynch carried out by one of the dead unit members- recieves no recognition

The farce continues it seems, first the falsehoods surrounding her capture and rescue, the revelation that her injuries were sustained purely by way of a crash, that she didn't fire a shot, and gets a medal for it.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-29 12:04pm

Well, they're trying to make her soccer mom feel happy

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-29 12:26pm

*kills Vympel*

No More Lynch Stories!!!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-29 12:34pm

LadyTevar wrote:*kills Vympel*

No More Lynch Stories!!!

*returns fire*

It pisses me off, so I post

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-29 12:38pm

Vympel wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:

It pisses me off, so I post

Cease fire, cease fi-arrgghh!

On topic: What a mess.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-29 12:44pm

Hey, just as long as Lady Tevar doesn't claim that she was stabbed and shot several times while emptying her weapons into Vympel we should be OK.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-29 12:47pm

Well well, it looks like we have a lynch mob...

*runs and hides*

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-07-29 12:48pm

I share your frustration. While I only wish the best for Pvt Lynch and her family, I can not stand hero building by the military PR groups. She deserves the purple heart, and perhaps a few others but the bronze star is for extrodenary actions while in combat. Getting caught and made a EPOW is not exactly extrodenary action durring combat.

I had the same problem with O'Grady durring Bosnia. The media had him a hero for being shot down and on the run for days. The real heros were the TRAP team that hualed his 'no flying ass' out of there, and I feel the same for Pvt Lynch. The DAT that pulled her out and saved her ass, are the real heros and deserve the that bronze star.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-07-29 04:47pm

While I understand, I think you're being too hard on Private Lynch - she's a poor girl who got caught up in the politics of things bigger than her.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-07-29 08:34pm

Bob McDob wrote:While I understand, I think you're being too hard on Private Lynch - she's a poor girl who got caught up in the politics of things bigger than her.

Who at no point has made any effort at all to tell the truth.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-07-29 08:46pm

weemadando wrote:
Bob McDob wrote:While I understand, I think you're being too hard on Private Lynch - she's a poor girl who got caught up in the politics of things bigger than her.
Who at no point has made any effort at all to tell the truth.

Given the punishments that came down from on high for soldiers who complained recently, would YOU want to be the unlucky Private (First Class) who crossed the Oval Office?

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-07-29 08:54pm

weemadando wrote:
Bob McDob wrote:While I understand, I think you're being too hard on Private Lynch - she's a poor girl who got caught up in the politics of things bigger than her.
Who at no point has made any effort at all to tell the truth.

Well, I haven't exactly seen news media lining up around the block to record her thoughts.

Besides, if she's guilty by lack of talking, I can think of a lot of herofied people who are far, far worse in that area.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-07-29 09:02pm

Bob McDob wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Bob McDob wrote:While I understand, I think you're being too hard on Private Lynch - she's a poor girl who got caught up in the politics of things bigger than her.
Who at no point has made any effort at all to tell the truth.
Well, I haven't exactly seen news media lining up around the block to record her thoughts.

Besides, if she's guilty by lack of talking, I can think of a lot of herofied people who are far, far worse in that area.

Remember Nuremberg? And how it was deemed that simply by obeying commands you are as guilty as your superiors for not questioning the orders? And remember how the US accepted the results of those trials?

Therefore, one PFC Jessica Lynch is as guilty as hell.

Hasler · Post by **Hasler** » 2003-07-29 11:27pm

She still dosent deserve a combat medal. She gets the Purple Heart automatically and if they want to use her for publicity give her a meritorious service or good conduct. Giving her that medal is a slap in the face to other POWs from her unit that only got the PH.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-07-29 11:37pm

Hasler wrote:She still dosent deserve a combat medal. She gets the Purple Heart automatically and if they want to use her for publicity give her a meritorious service or good conduct. Giving her that medal is a slap in the face to other POWs from her unit that only got the PH.

They may all get the Bronze Star. We just won't hear about it.

The same for her 1SG, who, IMO from what reports I read, was far more of a hero than PFC Lynch. He should get something (Silver Star perhaps, but it's been a while since I read the reports, but don't think it's worthy of a DSC or the MoH), and probably will (posthumously of course) but we probably won't hear about it (jegs and SS might, being in the Army, and if they do, please share; I'm greatly interested in that guy).

Now, if they don't get anything, and Lynch is the only one to get beyond a PH a POW Medal, I will be royally pissed and every PIO type would be on my personal shitlist. Or at least those responsible for it.

Hasler · Post by **Hasler** » 2003-07-30 02:06am

The bronze star is a metal for action above and beyond the call of duty in Combat. She was in an over turned truck and didnt fire a shot. She really dosent deserve anything beyond the standard POW medals.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-07-30 02:46am

weemadando wrote:
Bob McDob wrote:
weemadando wrote: Who at no point has made any effort at all to tell the truth.
Well, I haven't exactly seen news media lining up around the block to record her thoughts.

Besides, if she's guilty by lack of talking, I can think of a lot of herofied people who are far, far worse in that area.
Remember Nuremberg? And how it was deemed that simply by obeying commands you are as guilty as your superiors for not questioning the orders? And remember how the US accepted the results of those trials?

Therefore, one PFC Jessica Lynch is as guilty as hell.

That's an indictment of the entire damn world, though, not just some random POW who's been snatched up as a puppet by various political groups.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-07-30 09:12am

Knife wrote:I share your frustration. While I only wish the best for Pvt Lynch and her family, I can not stand hero building by the military PR groups. She deserves the purple heart, and perhaps a few others but the bronze star is for extrodenary actions while in combat. Getting caught and made a EPOW is not exactly extrodenary action durring combat.

I had the same problem with O'Grady durring Bosnia. The media had him a hero for being shot down and on the run for days. The real heros were the TRAP team that hualed his 'no flying ass' out of there, and I feel the same for Pvt Lynch. The DAT that pulled her out and saved her ass, are the real heros and deserve the that bronze star.

do i have to go and post all the same shit i posted last week in the bronze star thread? the bronze star is not all it is amde out to be, especially when it is awarded without the V for valor like in Lynch's case. several dozen pentago desk jockeys got it in Kosovo. An army scientist who trained the Pakistani army how to study bug shit got it in Afghanistan. She meets the award criteria which i posted in the thread last week. Enough people. LEAVE THE FUCKING WOMAN ALONE! She did not create this media circus and i am sick and tired of a fucking wounded soldier being used as a goddamn pawn to make a political point....and the fact this dead horse is being repeatedly dragged around by Vympel of all people astounds me even further. You disagree with policy? fine! You disagree with government and media propeganda? FINE! But for fucks sake, enough with the shit thowing at the poor half crippled private who is most likely going to be mentally fucked up for the rest of her life.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-30 10:06am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
do i have to go and post all the same shit i posted last week in the bronze star thread? the bronze star is not all it is amde out to be, especially when it is awarded without the V for valor like in Lynch's case. several dozen pentago desk jockeys got it in Kosovo. An army scientist who trained the Pakistani army how to study bug shit got it in Afghanistan. She meets the award criteria which i posted in the thread last week. Enough people. LEAVE THE FUCKING WOMAN ALONE! She did not create this media circus and i am sick and tired of a fucking wounded soldier being used as a goddamn pawn to make a political point....and the fact this dead horse is being repeatedly dragged around by Vympel of all people astounds me even further. You disagree with policy? fine! You disagree with government and media propeganda? FINE! But for fucks sake, enough with the shit thowing at the poor half crippled private who is most likely going to be mentally fucked up for the rest of her life.

It's not a dead horse, if you read the article, you'd see that there were indeed acts of heroism, just that they were all attributed to someone who didn't do them.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-07-30 12:43pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Knife wrote:I share your frustration. While I only wish the best for Pvt Lynch and her family, I can not stand hero building by the military PR groups. She deserves the purple heart, and perhaps a few others but the bronze star is for extrodenary actions while in combat. Getting caught and made a EPOW is not exactly extrodenary action durring combat.

I had the same problem with O'Grady durring Bosnia. The media had him a hero for being shot down and on the run for days. The real heros were the TRAP team that hualed his 'no flying ass' out of there, and I feel the same for Pvt Lynch. The DAT that pulled her out and saved her ass, are the real heros and deserve the that bronze star.
do i have to go and post all the same shit i posted last week in the bronze star thread? the bronze star is not all it is amde out to be, especially when it is awarded without the V for valor like in Lynch's case. several dozen pentago desk jockeys got it in Kosovo. An army scientist who trained the Pakistani army how to study bug shit got it in Afghanistan. She meets the award criteria which i posted in the thread last week. Enough people. LEAVE THE FUCKING WOMAN ALONE! She did not create this media circus and i am sick and tired of a fucking wounded soldier being used as a goddamn pawn to make a political point....and the fact this dead horse is being repeatedly dragged around by Vympel of all people astounds me even further. You disagree with policy? fine! You disagree with government and media propeganda? FINE! But for fucks sake, enough with the shit thowing at the poor half crippled private who is most likely going to be mentally fucked up for the rest of her life.

Point out my mud slinging.?.? Thought so. Don't use my post as a basis for your misplaced rage.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-07-30 05:56pm

Vympel wrote:It's not a dead horse, if you read the article, you'd see that there were indeed acts of heroism, just that they were all attributed to someone who didn't do them.

That is true. Does Lynch deserve the Bronze Star? I doubt it. But since when did Lynch have a say in anything? Did anyone ask her opinion? Where are the interviews where she says that she's a Bonifide American Hero(TM), or the signs that this is nothing else than the usual BS politicians use to turn hapless victims into symbols of "Why We Fight?"

Attack the system. Attack the politicians. But for christ's sake, don't attack some poor kid who by all accounts never did a damn thing. Whether she's guilty by accepting it or not, that doesn't change the fact deflating her won't help your cause.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-07-31 01:46am

Basically, it comes down to this war needing its own Comrade Ogilvy.