Almost 70 years ago...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-30 01:39pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Stravo wrote: Where would Shep be without his strawmen?
Do me a fucking favor; Read the following book:

SNIP!

then get back to me. The Palestinians were doing the same old shit
back in the 1960s, well BEFORE the West bank and Gaza were taken
during the Six Day War, only they got their kicks by planting anti-tank
mines in Israeli farmers' fields instead of going to Allah on a crowded
Jerusalem bus

Appeal to authority oon the book...

Even before the Gaza Strip anf West Bank were occupied the Isrealis had booted the palistinians out of their homes. You cant tell me truthfully shep, that is someone came along and forced you out of your house, a home youhad spent a lifetime building, then let another family move in, that you wouldnt be PISSED.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 01:42pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: Never said they were innocent. BUt in a way, almost justified. Sure they shouldnt be attacking civilians. But the palistinian death toll is far higher than the Isreali one.

No shit, sherlock. That's what happens when you send children armed
with nothing but AK-47s against tanks. But no Arab nation in the
middle east doesn't want the status quo to change.

Why?

The Arab leaders (who are almost always despotic dictators or kings) are
fearful of a mass rebellion in their OWN countries, causing their own
overthrow and death (usually very messily), and they need some sort
of way to take the masses' minds off their own fucked up economies and
countries, so they parrot the Palestinian issue to take attention away,
yet at the same time, they don't want the Palestinians to succeed and
remove the one thing that keeps their populace angry at the Jews, and
not at their leaders, so they surreptiously feed Islamic Jihad,
Hezbollah, Al-Asqua with juuust enough weapons and explosives
to keep the entire region in a slow boil...

Syria in particular has been doing just that well before the 1960s...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 01:43pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: You cant tell me truthfully shep, that is someone came along and forced you out of your house, a home youhad spent a lifetime building, then let another family move in, that you wouldnt be PISSED.

This might actually be true, except that all the Palestinians LEFT OF THEIR
OWN FUCKING FREE WILL, expecting the evil evil Jews to be crushed shortly
by the Arab Nations in 1948, to the point that they didn't bother taking anything
with them, leaving radios on their tables on.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-07-30 01:45pm

MKSheppard wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: Clown.
Oh that's right, nobody in the middle east wants the palestinians! Maybe because they're a bunch of murderous shitheads who cause violence wherever
they go!

I'm reminded of the time the PLO decided to have a nice little battle in
the middle of Tripoli when they were in Libya.

Sheppard, the politics of the Middle East is the most complex son of a bitch out there. Suggesting it's all the Palestinians fault, indicates you're a lazy analyser. Or stupid. Take your pick.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 01:46pm

BoredShirtless wrote: Sheppard, the politics of the Middle East is the most complex son of a bitch out there. Suggesting it's all the Palestinians fault, indicates you're a lazy analyser. Or stupid. Take your pick.

It's the truth! Wherever they go, Lebanon, or Libya, they always inevitably
start a small mini-war. Hence, no one really wants them in their country,
despite their propagandists' affirmation of support for the Palestinian cause.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-07-30 01:51pm

I keep hearing this BULLSHIT comparison of the Berlin wall, the Jewish ghettos walls, and the Isreali security wall.

Reality check.

The first 2 were to keep people IN, to stop them from leaving. After all, you are property of the state, or a prisoner, and the state will tell you when you can and can not travel.

The securtity wall is to keep people OUT, who don't have a legal reason for going IN!
Any one who wants to leave Isreal can, whenever they want, they just can't get IN, any time they want.

Is the difference clear?
OUT, escape, freedom, change of scenery.
IN, murder, sabotage, smuggling.(workers with JOBS use front gate, and show pass)
Is this simple enough?

The only thing they have in common is they are WALLS!

I have a wall around my house, am I doing a bad thing? MY wall keeps out people I haven't INVITED in too!

The comparisonn of the Berlin wall and the Isreali security wall is ignorant at best, and more a deliberate LIE to smear Isreal from the non ignorant.

I wish the USA had 1/100 of the border security that Isreal has. A southern wall of "no ungated way in" between Mexico and USA would do a lot about shifting the pot smuggled in from Mexico to Canada where it belongs!

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-07-30 01:55pm

Shep, you forgot Jordan, they stirred up enough shit there to get pushed out of the country fleeing under gunfire, and into the area they are now.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 02:00pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:Shep, you forgot Jordan, they stirred up enough shit there to get pushed out of the country fleeing under gunfire, and into the area they are now.

You know the former King Hussein of Jordan? The one who died recently?

He saw his own father, King Hussein ASSASSINATED right before
his own eyes by a PLO gunman when he was still Prince Hussein.

What peaceful people, the Palestinians are

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-30 02:22pm

LadyTevar wrote:Let's face it... there is nothing that the US or any other 'Western' country can do to stop the fighting in the Mid-East.

Why?

Because it's all one huge Family Feud between cousins over lands that their ancestors have been fighting over for centuries. The fighting only stops when someone bigger (Romans, Persians, etc.) conquered the region.

Same thing with south American Politics, it's the same families are always in charge, and use <Fill in the Blank> as their justification for a power grab at their cousin's expense. Seriously No one ever starts a war over a Soccer match, that was just the excuse.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-07-30 05:25pm

So here's where I get a bit peeved--

You declare that the setting up the Israeli security fence is the exact same thing as the Nazis putting up a wall around the Warsaw Ghetto.

So you draw the conclusion that the Jews of Warsaw were exploding themselves on busses full of families, breaking into homes and killing families, and otherwise engaged in terrorism. So the Nazis were engaged in righteous defense against evil, antagonistic Jews?

Hell, do we have to start with this again? (drags out history books and builds trench)...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 05:50pm

That was one hell of a nuke you tossed into this thread, Coyotus

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-07-30 05:52pm

Well, it's pretty easy to see where this is going, so we may as well hurry up and get there.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-07-30 06:05pm

Well then......

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-07-30 06:09pm

We have a policy about this very discussion folks, it is a topic we prefer NOT be debated because it draws inferno like flames and accomplishes nothing, I have yet to see ANYONE concede ANYTHING in these Israel/Palestinian debates. This thread is being watched very closely.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-30 06:37pm

Nice exclusion of the middle, Shep. Just because the Palestinians are bad does not mean that the Jews are saints.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-07-30 06:41pm

This thread is in violation of the board rules and regulations, and is therefore closed.