My Private Message Exchange

[DPDarkPrimus]

Same fundie I chatted with here:
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=25422

I would link to the full topic, but it is in a members-only section of the forum.

Anyways, in the debate, I made the fundie an offer to come to Stardestroyer.net and present his scientific findings to some certified scientists. All PMs are quoted without editing.

The religion thread is closed now...

However, my offer still stands.

If you wish to bring your scientific findings for the Biblical flood and other stuff like that to the attention of people who actually know about science, rather than an ignoramus such as I, then proceed to post it in the Science, Morality, and Logic forum at this message board:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net

that'll take a LOT of my time, because they'll be knowing exactly what i'll say, and depending on their religious thoughts, will attempt to strike me down even if my theories ARE partly correct. thus, i can't be wasting time like that. speaking of which, i have to do my HSC trials for Math in two weeks...

oh yeah, i don't usually work in theoritical physics anyway; i work in electromagnetics and superconductivity.

I wasn't aware that they could read minds. How else would they know exactly what you would say?

If you theories were partially correct, they would admit it. Don't be so quick to assume that they would deny true statements as false because they don't agree with the theory (unlike some people...).

You can't waste time? If you consider defending the basis of your lifestyle to be wasted time, then perhaps you shouldn't consider yourself a Christian...

because in those forums i would have to point out exactly what i'm saying, not figuratively as i would normally argue. which doesn't work, cos of my lacking english...

maybe they will agree. but until i guess i have even more evidence, i'll leave the topic alone.

i consider it a waste of time because there are much better things to do for God instead of dribbling on and on about endless amount of argument over the net. because;

'Arguing over the Internet is like participating in Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard.'

Considering how long you debated with me, you're a pretty big retard.

Considering how long you debated with me, you're a pretty big retard.

being a retard doesn't matter for me. i, after all, was a retard on school and medical record. i can't deny that. i still probably am. aww

the problem is not me, but people who actually replied.

Wait, so how is it that you are retarded, and yet won all these science awards?

And I really like that last sentence. Since you lost the debate, you are now calling the people who won names. Ad hominem.

FYI, i _was_ a retard. well, thought to be by my teachers. until i proved it wrong.

as for the thread, i only forfeited simply because you don't seem to know anything. which actually is, i forfeited to ATh him only. why? 1200AD time period isn't my field. at all. you assumed you won but really, it's ATh who won.

you see, by me saying that arguing online makes anyone arguing retard should only concern you, because me being retart doesn't matter.

remember, you're arguing in science 20 years or more ago. recent science actually proves Christianity right than it bashed it

You claim that now, but you never provided this evidence in the debate. Perhaps you should provide it on the message board I suggested? If it proves you right, then you have nothing to fear... they won't deny the truth.

why do i claim it now? because talking about Hawking's new BB calculations in a place where people can't even distinguish 'at least soundable' theories and just excusedly made up ones is pointless.

and no, i already have so much to do. my schedule is... set. that and i'll have to write the entire thoughts of the theory somewhere, which takes time, which i don't have...

Sure, keep making excuses. The more you make, the more cowardly you prove yourself to be.

and more you say that, the more idiot of you become. why? you can't even prove i'm wrong.

oh sure, i'm a coward when i was the one who admits defeat at a person who knows more about a subject than me, and you butt in and thinks you won

I did prove you were wrong. The fact that you can't admit it doesn't make it change. If you think you are right, then why not repost the information at the message board I reccomended? Oh, that's right, because you were wrong.

where exactly did you prove me wrong? all your statements were wrong.

in matter of fact, water on the atmosphere also explains why people lived shorter after the flood. it rained, not much more protection, until people could resist the sun's ray better their life span reduced. which stopped at 120. exactly like what God said in the bible. not a concidence.

you know, don't make me post in other forums simply because you can't argue because you don't anything. go ahead, bring any scientific excuses to prove bible wrong, see if you can.

where exactly did you prove me wrong? all your statements were wrong.

No, they were correct. You didn't disprove my statements, while I disproved yours. You cannot deny this, because the thread still exists, for all to see.

in matter of fact, water on the atmosphere also explains why people lived shorter after the flood.

Except that it is impossibel for all the water to have been in the atmosphere. This was dealt with in the topic.

it rained, not much more protection, until people could resist the sun's ray better their life span reduced.

Ballocks.

which stopped at 120.

There are people in the Bible who lived to be older than 120, and people who died earlier than 120. Whoops.

exactly like what God said in the bible. not a concidence.

God also said in the Bible that the SAME KING was crowed at age 22, and at age 42. Whoops, contradiction.

you know, don't make me post in other forums simply because you can't argue because you don't anything.

I don't what anything?

go ahead, bring any scientific excuses to prove bible wrong, see if you can.

I already did, fuckwit. They were in the thread, which you can't seem to remember. Must be all that Bible-bashing into your skull.

so, you want to argue more huh? sure.

where exactly did you prove me wrong? all your statements were wrong.

No, they were correct. You didn't disprove my statements, while I disproved yours. You cannot deny this, because the thread still exists, for all to see.

umm, no. there is nothing you didn't prove. bring me anything that does prove my theory wrong. if there is, i'll just bash it to ground again.

in matter of fact, water on the atmosphere also explains why people lived shorter after the flood.

Except that it is impossibel for all the water to have been in the atmosphere. This was dealt with in the topic.

who says it can't? so you're saying there's more land than sky. which is frankly stupid, because there's a whole open gap in the sky there and land is always smaller than it.

prove it wrong that you can't hold more water in the sky than on land.

it rained, not much more protection, until people could resist the sun's ray better their life span reduced.

Ballocks.

Balls have nothing to do with it. -Kensuke

which stopped at 120.

There are people in the Bible who lived to be older than 120, and people who died earlier than 120. Whoops.

and did you realise that they were people who were actually before the flood? read the bible again. by Moses's stage, the age gets reduced to 120. then it stays as that age even until now. now let's see who's stupid.

http://www .yfiles.com/120years.html Note: The website is worth a laugh, go check it out.

exactly like what God said in the bible. not a concidence.

God also said in the Bible that the SAME KING was crowed at age 22, and at age 42. Whoops, contradiction.

i take it as crowned.


and why can't you be crowned at 22 AND at 42? you can be king twice. who said no?

you know, don't make me post in other forums simply because you can't argue because you don't anything.

I don't what anything?

then explain Big Bang Theory.

go ahead, bring any scientific excuses to prove bible wrong, see if you can.

I already did, fuckwit. They were in the thread, which you can't seem to remember. Must be all that Bible-bashing into your skull.

no you didn't, all you did was;

1) make stupid theories that can never make sense with stupid calculations beyond words
2) i can't use Bible to prove it.

there wasn't anything you could use to prove it wrong. if there was, then state it again.

I see that we are going to have the same debate over again...

umm, no. there is nothing you didn't prove. bring me anything that does prove my theory wrong. if there is, i'll just bash it to ground again.

The ignorance is strong in this one...

who says it can't? so you're saying there's more land than sky. which is frankly stupid, because there's a whole open gap in the sky there and land is always smaller than it.

It's not a matter of space, it's a matter of radiation. Please refer back to the topic.

prove it wrong that you can't hold more water in the sky than on land.

That wasn't my arguement, so I don't have to.

Balls have nothing to do with it. -Kensuke

You miss the point, and you can't even make up a snappy comeback of your own.

As for your whole age thing, I have told you enough times already, the Bible cannot be used to prove itself. It is circular logic.

i take it as crowned.

Debating semantics now, are we?

and why can't you be crowned at 22 AND at 42? you can be king twice. who said no?

Both passages were referring to the SAME coronation, dumbass. That is why it is a contradiction.

I don't what anything?

then explain Big Bang Theory.

You didn't answer the question. You said I can't argue "because you don't anything". I don't what anything?

no you didn't, all you did was;

1) make stupid theories that can never make sense with stupid calculations beyond words

You didn't disprove them. I disproved all your arguements. You think the rain falling on the world cancels each other out? Then surely, if I swung a sledgehammer at the front AND back of your leg at the same time, they would cancel out each other.

2) i can't use Bible to prove it.

Because you can't. I don't know why you haven't figured that out yet.

here wasn't anything you could use to prove it wrong. if there was, then state it again.

I don't like repeating myself, idiot. If you can't be bothered to read all the refutations I made of your "arguements", as they were, then you can't continue a debate at all.

Oh, and since we are obviously debating again, why not go over and continue the debate on that message board? If you say no, I'll just quote these PMs there anyways, so you might as well say yes.

END PART 1

[DPDarkPrimus]

I see that we are going to have the same debate over again...

yes indeed.

umm, no. there is nothing you didn't prove. bring me anything that does prove my theory wrong. if there is, i'll just bash it to ground again.

The ignorance is strong in this one...

well, then prove it wrong. go ahead. i never saw you proving it wrong. come on. i'm waiting.

who says it can't? so you're saying there's more land than sky. which is frankly stupid, because there's a whole open gap in the sky there and land is always smaller than it.

It's not a matter of space, it's a matter of radiation. Please refer back to the topic.

water doesn't radiate.

prove it wrong that you can't hold more water in the sky than on land.

That wasn't my arguement, so I don't have to.

there you go. you can put more water on the sky than land, so you can have all those water floating on the sky.

Balls have nothing to do with it. -Kensuke

You miss the point, and you can't even make up a snappy comeback of your own.

whatever.

As for your whole age thing, I have told you enough times already, the Bible cannot be used to prove itself. It is circular logic.

logic, logic, logic. you really think you're the smartest in the world, don't you?

you've been saying it's circular forever, and never shown anything that proves me wrong. you're avoiding a source. which is the only source. so you're ignorant.

i take it as crowned.

Debating semantics now, are we?

what the hell is crowed then?

and why can't you be crowned at 22 AND at 42? you can be king twice. who said no?

Both passages were referring to the SAME coronation, dumbass. That is why it is a contradiction.

describe.

then explain Big Bang Theory.

You didn't answer the question. You said I can't argue "because you don't anything". I don't what anything?

anything that can be done by a person. you do NOT anything. stupid english, but you'll have to get it yourself.

no you didn't, all you did was;

1) make stupid theories that can never make sense with stupid calculations beyond words

You didn't disprove them. I disproved all your arguements. You think the rain falling on the world cancels each other out? Then surely, if I swung a sledgehammer at the front AND back of your leg at the same time, they would cancel out each other.

yes i did. canceling out works because a single rain doesn't do anything. if my legs were chemically structured to be strong enough like Earth is, then it would cancle out.

if you think it's wrong, explain to me air pressure and how you can live under it.

2) i can't use Bible to prove it.

Because you can't. I don't know why you haven't figured that out yet.[/quote[

but Bible is correct. prove it wrong if you want, but i say it's correct. why? go read BB theory. if you think BB theory is wrong, go talk to Hawkings.

there wasn't anything you could use to prove it wrong. if there was, then state it again.

I don't like repeating myself, idiot. If you can't be bothered to read all the refutations I made of your "arguements", as they were, then you can't continue a debate at all.

just lazy aren't you

Oh, and since we are obviously debating again, why not go over and continue the debate on that message board? If you say no, I'll just quote these PMs there anyways, so you might as well say yes.

you can start the thread if you want. remember, it was closed because of swearing. which i didn't start btw.

water doesn't radiate.

Did I say the water radiated? No. If you had read any of my posts in the original thread, you would understand. Of course, since you keep denying that I ever refuted your arguements, it's obvious that you haven't read the posts... ever.

prove it wrong that you can't hold more water in the sky than on land.

That wasn't my arguement, so I don't have to.

there you go. you can put more water on the sky than land, so you can have all those water floating on the sky.

It's the fact that the water would affect the atmosphere and would cause lethal amounts of radiation to get through the ozone. See the original thread.

As for your whole age thing, I have told you enough times already, the Bible cannot be used to prove itself. It is circular logic.

logic, logic, logic. you really think you're the smartest in the world, don't you?

No, just smarter than you.

you're avoiding a source. which is the only source. so you're ignorant.

Pay attention here, class, this is where I start having some fun...

No, you are being the ignorant one. You cannot use a source to prove itself. Otherwise, I could write a book right now, that says that I am God, and because my book proves that I am God, I am God. That is how your "logic" is working.

Both passages were referring to the SAME coronation, dumbass. That is why it is a contradiction.

describe.

"Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Kings 8:26

"Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Chronicles 22:2

Also, the year in which he began to reign is contradicted.

"In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign."
2 Kings 8:25

"And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign."
2 Kings 9:29

anything that can be done by a person. you do NOT anything. stupid english, but you'll have to get it yourself.

It isn't proper, or even IMPROPER English. You need something inbetween "don't" and "anything" for the sentence to be coherant.

yes i did. canceling out works because a single rain doesn't do anything. if my legs were chemically structured to be strong enough like Earth is, then it would cancle out.

Prove the chemical structure of the Earth cancels out force.

but Bible is correct. prove it wrong if you want, but i say it's correct.

Burden of Proof. You need to prove it is wrong.

Note: Yes, I KNOW I made a typo there...

why? go read BB theory. if you think BB theory is wrong, go talk to Hawkings.

Stephen Hawking believes in A god, but he has stated before that it is not the Christian god. Appeal to Authority, as well as Red Herring.

just lazy aren't you

Says the man who can't be bothered to take a couple of minutes to re-read a few posts.

you can start the thread if you want. remember, it was closed because of swearing. which i didn't start btw.

Like I care. Swearing doesn't matter on the other board.

But thanks for allowing me all the same. They'll love how stupid you are.

END PART 2

[DPDarkPrimus]

Note: For some reason, my first quotes tag will NOT work. So you know, this is GuGuEater's reply to my last message.

Did I say the water radiated? No. If you had read any of my posts in the original thread, you would understand. Of course, since you keep denying that I ever refuted your arguements, it's obvious that you haven't read the posts... ever.

you're talking about radiation passing through water? HA! why do you think they make the nuclear shelter walls made out of concrete and water for? concrete for physical blast and water for absorption! there is no other chemical so common AND absorbing than water.

there you go. you can put more water on the sky than land, so you can have all those water floating on the sky.

It's the fact that the water would affect the atmosphere and would cause lethal amounts of radiation to get through the ozone. See the original thread.

no. you don't know water. go away and learn science and see how microwave ovens works. and bunkers. and other misc water protection stuff.

As for your whole age thing, I have told you enough times already, the Bible cannot be used to prove itself. It is circular logic.

logic, logic, logic. you really think you're the smartest in the world, don't you?

No, just smarter than you.

prove you are. you have yet to show me any intellegence on matter of science. only stupid theories of yours only thought in pre-1900s.

you're avoiding a source. which is the only source. so you're ignorant.

No, you are being the ignorant one. You cannot use a source to prove itself. Otherwise, I could write a book right now, that says that I am God, and because my book proves that I am God, I am God. That is how your "logic" is working.

but you have no power, nothing to be feared about. that's a stupid god.

God has all powers. you don't. other gods don't. that's partly why i believe in God, instead of you or any other god, or anyone else, including myself.

by stating that you think you are so good to say you're a god, you're just thinking that you are smarter and more 'stronger' than everyone else, which is stupid, because everyone is exactly the same.

Both passages were referring to the SAME coronation, dumbass. That is why it is a contradiction.


describe

"Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Kings 8:26

"Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Chronicles 22:2

read just after genesis. have you noticed that there are plenty of people names Jesus? oh gees, i suppose they are all the same people

Also, the year in which he began to reign is contradicted.

"In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign."
2 Kings 8:25

"And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign."
2 Kings 9:29

doens't change anything about my state that you can rule twice at the same time.

that and old testament is useless for Christians but for why to believe in Jesus.

anything that can be done by a person. you do NOT anything. stupid english, but you'll have to get it yourself.

It isn't proper, or even IMPROPER English. You need something inbetween "don't" and "anything" for the sentence to be coherant.

so now you're going on about my lack of english.

yes i did. canceling out works because a single rain doesn't do anything. if my legs were chemically structured to be strong enough like Earth is, then it would cancle out.

Prove the chemical structure of the Earth cancels out force.

well then, does your house disappear or boil up because it rained so much? or at least make a crack?

that and Earth contains plenty of minerals other metal forms that are obviously more stronger in bond than energised liquid like rain.

but Bible is correct. prove it wrong if you want, but i say it's correct.

Burden of Proof. You need to prove it is wrong.

why would i want to prove it wrong? it's correct. gees. it's YOU who have to prove it wrong.

why? go read BB theory. if you think BB theory is wrong, go talk to Hawkings.

Stephen Hawking believes in A god, but he has stated before that it is not the Christian god. Appeal to Authority, as well as Red Herring.

that's why it leads to thoughts on polygod theories and if there is only one god. read Space Oddesey 3001.

but me believing in God is what my fate is. you can't really do crap about it. it's not like it's your choice to believe in God anyway.

just lazy aren't you

Says the man who can't be bothered to take a couple of minutes to re-read a few posts.

yeah sure, i'll waste my valuable time loading that up again on modem. took me quite some time when i could have been programming more. wasting time, you.

you can start the thread if you want. remember, it was closed because of swearing. which i didn't start btw.

Like I care. Swearing doesn't matter on the other board.

lacking in sociality, it seems.

But thanks for allowing me all the same. They'll love how stupid you are.

remember, i don't care

END PART 3

[DPDarkPrimus]

Ignore previous PM.

I wasn't done refuting your last PM when that got sent accidentally. Read this one instead.

you're talking about radiation passing through water? HA! why do you think they make the nuclear shelter walls made out of concrete and water for? concrete for physical blast and water for absorption! there is no other chemical so common AND absorbing than water.

Again, you completely ignored my posts in the thread. That much water in the atmosphere would cancel out the protective effects of the ozone layer.

No, you are being the ignorant one. You cannot use a source to prove itself. Otherwise, I could write a book right now, that says that I am God, and because my book proves that I am God, I am God. That is how your "logic" is working.

but you have no power, nothing to be feared about. that's a stupid god.

I do have powers. More than you can imagine. I am omipotent and omniscient. My holy book says so.

God has all powers.

Your God has no powers. My holy book says so.


See why that "logic" doesn't work? You cannot say "ecause the book says so, the book is true".

you're just thinking that you are smarter and more 'stronger' than everyone else, which is stupid, because everyone is exactly the same.

No, I am smarter and stronger than everyone else. My holy book says so.

describe.

"Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Kings 8:26

"Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
2 Chronicles 22:2

read just after genesis. have you noticed that there are plenty of people names Jesus? oh gees, i suppose they are all the same people

So you are admitting that Jesus was an amalgam of many people, and never existed as he did in the Bible?

And if you had read those passages in context, ass, you would have known that it WAS the same person.

Also, the year in which he began to reign is contradicted.

"In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign."
2 Kings 8:25

"And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign."
2 Kings 9:29

doens't change anything about my state that you can rule twice at the same time.

If you had read the passages, like a smart person, you would have known that they are both referring to the same incident.

that and old testament is useless for Christians but for why to believe in Jesus.

Now you're just trying to deny that which you can't refute. All the Bible is important, otherwise, why would it be in the Bible?

It isn't proper, or even IMPROPER English. You need something inbetween "don't" and "anything" for the sentence to be coherant.

so now you're going on about my lack of english.

Yes, yes I am.

well then, does your house disappear or boil up because it rained so much? or at least make a crack?

Was it the same amount of rain that is required to flood all the earth?

that and Earth contains plenty of minerals other metal forms that are obviously more stronger in bond than energised liquid like rain.

I suppose you have never heard of erosion?

Burden of Proof. You need to prove it is wrong.

why would i want to prove it wrong? it's correct. gees. it's YOU who have to prove it wrong.

That was a typo.
The burden of proof is ON YOU to PROVE IT CORRECT.

Stephen Hawking believes in A god, but he has stated before that it is not the Christian god. Appeal to Authority, as well as Red Herring.

that's why it leads to thoughts on polygod theories and if there is only one god. read Space Oddesey 3001.

We are talking about reality here, not science fiction. Well, I am talking about reality, anyways...

it's not like it's your choice to believe in God anyway.

That's right, it's Gods choice. He made me not believe in him. Because humans don't have free will.

Like I care. Swearing doesn't matter on the other board.

lacking in sociality, it seems.

They are far more sociable and educated than you.

Oh, and style over substance fallacy.

But thanks for allowing me all the same. They'll love how stupid you are.

remember, i don't care

Sure, sure... it's just that, if you go and post there without my posting all these PMs, then they won't already know that you are an idiot, and might take you seriously.

I wasn't done refuting your last PM when that got sent accidentally. Read this one instead.

ok

you're talking about radiation passing through water? HA! why do you think they make the nuclear shelter walls made out of concrete and water for? concrete for physical blast and water for absorption! there is no other chemical so common AND absorbing than water.

Again, you completely ignored my posts in the thread. That much water in the atmosphere would cancel out the protective effects of the ozone layer.

ok, i'll describe.

water storage = liquid
gas oxygen = lighter than liquid water
gas oxygen floats higher than water making new layer
sun's energy reacts gas oxygen, transforming them into ozone WITHOUT having any effect from water

and let me tell you, liquid oxygen doesn't dissolve much in water. note fishes.

but you have no power, nothing to be feared about. that's a stupid god.


I do have powers. More than you can imagine. I am omipotent and omniscient. My holy book says so.

show miracles. bring people back alive. you have no power. you're nobody, like everyone else in the world

Your God has no powers. My holy book says so.

oh sure, your book says so, probably one of those 'Crocodile Adventure - The Picture Book'. yeah sure, you have enough knowledge to write such articles. as if anyone will agree to you. you really think you're better than all the Theology learning in the entire history huh?

See why that "logic" doesn't work? You cannot say "ecause the book says so, the book is true".

as i said, what was written in the book came true. archeological evidence proves this book was written in the way way past. all except one prophecy came true. explain to me the chances of that occuring. something like 300 prophets in the Bible, all coming true.

No, I am smarter and stronger than everyone else. My holy book says so.

again, you have no proof. another nobody.

So you are admitting that Jesus was an amalgam of many people, and never existed as he did in the Bible?

no. names are always used over and over again. and unless this is in the New Testament, it doesn't really matter anyway, as i said.

And if you had read those passages in context, ass, you would have known that it WAS the same person.

whatever. still makes sense to me.

If you had read the passages, like a smart person, you would have known that they are both referring to the same incident.

whatever.

Now you're just trying to deny that which you can't refute. All the Bible is important, otherwise, why would it be in the Bible?

note why Jews and Christians are seperate. or Muslims. they call God Allah. does it angry me? no, it does not. it's same God. they simply believe Jesus as another prophet. they are simply waiting for Revelations. what they don't know is that they can never be 'pure'. thus why the two fight.

the Old Testament did nothing for Christianity except explaining _why_ Jesus is the only way for ultimate eternal life.

Yes, yes I am.

good for you. i know i suck in english. meh

Was it the same amount of rain that is required to flood all the earth?

does it matter? ok, how long have Earth been raining for since it started? anywhere? it rained as long as there were clouds. anywhere around the globe. why don't you calculate that and tell me why we haven't been cooked yet, and why Global Warming isn't occuring because of it.

[qupte]

that and Earth contains plenty of minerals other metal forms that are obviously more stronger in bond than energised liquid like rain.

I suppose you have never heard of erosion?

as i stated, does the erosion make the soil disappear? no. all it does is it creates sediments somewhere else, which is called 'deposition' in geology. that's probably WHY the Noah didn't land on top of Mt Everest. ever realised that?

why would i want to prove it wrong? it's correct. gees. it's YOU who have to prove it wrong.

That was a typo.
The burden of proof is ON YOU to PROVE IT CORRECT.

i'll tolerate typos.

and the only proof i have is my life. do you really think i was a Christian when i was born? no. i was one of you, the non-believers. why i changed? ask God.

that's why it leads to thoughts on polygod theories and if there is only one god. read Space Oddesey 3001.

We are talking about reality here, not science fiction. Well, I am talking about reality, anyways...

no, SO3001 exactly describes the situation of religion to it's maximum human logical description. is there less than one god, or is there more than one god? i say it's the middle, one God.

it's not like it's your choice to believe in God anyway.

That's right, it's Gods choice. He made me not believe in him. Because humans don't have free will.

well, have fun being butt-fucked by Satan.

lacking in sociality, it seems.

They are far more sociable and educated than you.

perhaps. after all, if they DID achieve doctoral certificates, then it would be right for them to have had more time to think than me.

Oh, and style over substance fallacy.

whatever.

remember, i don't care

Sure, sure... it's just that, if you go and post there without my posting all these PMs, then they won't already know that you are an idiot, and might take you seriously.

that is IF i post there. which i won't, with reasons describing why not. i already have my own forum, AB, three other forums, 5 assignments, 1 major project, 3 other misc projects, all due within next month or two. do you think i have time?

thankfully, AB is included in time, so i can spend time here.

END PART 5

[Warspite]

Too fucking long, and remember, the guy doesn't have time for this...

He "was" a retard? Someone should give him the news that he STILL is.

[Companion Cube]

I swear that quote about the Special Olympics was different originally...

[DPDarkPrimus]

bring people back alive.

I did. It was witnessed by my diciples, and written in the holy book.

you have no power. you're nobody, like everyone else in the world

No, I am God. I have performed miracles. It is proven in my holy book, so it is true.

God has all powers.

Your God has no powers. My holy book says so.

oh sure, your book says so, probably one of those 'Crocodile Adventure - The Picture Book'.

Ad hominem, and it's better than the Bible.

yeah sure, you have enough knowledge to write such articles. as if anyone will agree to you.

The holy book is my words, but I did not write it on this Earth. My disciples did. Obviously, they agree with me.

NOTE: Who wishes to be a disciple of David the All-Mighty, and help record my laws, teachings, and miracles. Please contact me by PM or on MSN today or tomorrow if you wish to contribue to my holy book

you really think you're better than all the Theology learning in the entire history huh?

Sure I do. I'm God.

as i said, what was written in the book came true.

Got proof that it was written before the events it "prophesized" happened?

archeological evidence proves this book was written in the way way past.

That doesn't make it truthful. Just makes it old lies.

all except one prophecy came true.

Prove that the events prophisized occured AFTER the book of the Bible it is predicted in was written.

explain to me the chances of that occuring. something like 300 prophets in the Bible, all coming true.

It's called "writing something after the fact, to fit the story you want to tell".

No, I am smarter and stronger than everyone else. My holy book says so.

again, you have no proof.

Just as much proof as you do for your religion.

no. names are always used over and over again. and unless this is in the New Testament, it doesn't really matter anyway, as i said.

Don't deny what you said. You used the example, now deal with it.

whatever. still makes sense to me.

It "still" makes sense to you because you aren't reading the Bible passages I gave you in context. If you read them, then you couldn't deny that I am right, lest you denounce part of your precious Bible as lies.

If you had read the passages, like a smart person, you would have known that they are both referring to the same incident.

whatever.

No, I believe you mean to say "Conceeded".

Now you're just trying to deny that which you can't refute. All the Bible is important, otherwise, why would it be in the Bible?

note why Jews and Christians are seperate. or Muslims. they call God Allah. does it angry me? no, it does not. it's same God. they simply believe Jesus as another prophet. they are simply waiting for Revelations. what they don't know is that they can never be 'pure'. thus why the two fight.

That had nothing to do with what I asked you. Red herring. Try again, moron.

the Old Testament did nothing for Christianity except explaining _why_ Jesus is the only way for ultimate eternal life.

You mean, that and lay down all the laws of morality, none of which Jesus said "stop practicing".

Yes, yes I am.

good for you. i know i suck in english.

You also suck at debating.

ok, how long have Earth been raining for since it started? anywhere? it rained as long as there were clouds. anywhere around the globe. why don't you calculate that and tell me why we haven't been cooked yet, and why Global Warming isn't occuring because of it.

Because it wasn't raining for forty days and forty nights non-stop. How long it rains makes a difference, you know.you to

I suppose you have never heard of erosion?[/qupte]


as i stated, does the erosion make the soil disappear? no.

It BREAKS OFF the particles of rock, metal, and soil before depositing them elsewhere. Nice try.

i'll tolerate typos.

Okay then. You still have the burden of proof upon you. Prove that the Bible is correct.

and the only proof i have is my life.

How is that truth?

do you really think i was a Christian when i was born? no. i was one of you, the non-believers. why i changed? ask God.

How does that prove that God exis- Oh wait, it doesn't!

well, have fun being butt-fucked by Satan.

What, because God decided that I would be, before I was born? Some "kind and loving" being you got there.

Oh, and where in the Bible does it say that Satan assrapes the souls of sinners?

You know, just saying "whatever" isn't going to make you right all of the sudden.


Translation: I know that I'll get all my evidences torn apart quickly, because it already happened once here.


Good for you. Any idiot can have their own message board.


Gee, I don't know... maybe if you took a break from some of those other message boards for a little while? It's entirely possible to do.


And I love you for it. You give me my daily dose of humor.

I did. It was witnessed by my diciples, and written in the holy book.

no, now. actually, i'll make it easier. go and burn half the forest of Amazon.

No, I am God. I have performed miracles. It is proven in my holy book, so it is true.

no, it's not proven. you don't even have one.

Ad hominem, and it's better than the Bible.

for you that is. so now go and read it in the corner, and spend the rest of your life reading a crappy book and never realising the truth.

The holy book is my words, but I did not writ e it on this Earth. My disciples did. Obviously, they agree with me.

and then where is this book? how many people believe in you? can you change other people? like me? no, you can't change me. thus, you're no god.

Sure I do. I'm God.

no you're not. you can't prove it by changing people.

if you ARE a god, then attempt to change me.

Got proof that it was written before the events it "prophesized" happened?

yes. go to Vatican City, and look in their museum.

That doesn't make it truthful. Just makes it old lies.

better than your thoughts, at least there are people who thought way more than you can ever possibly do.

Prove that the events prophisized occured AFTER the book of the Bible it is predicted in was written.

WW1, WW2, great famine and depression, etc etc. they are recent events.

It's called "writing something after the fact, to fit the story you want to tell".

no, that's your analogy that you just created up which no one else will ever fit with, since you are thinking uniquely.

i DO have proof for my religion. my life.

END PART 6
(I know the quote tags are sligthly messed up. I don't care.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I did. It was witnessed by my diciples, and written in the holy book.

no, now. actually, i'll make it easier. go and burn half the forest of Amazon.

I'm not going to go screw over the world's ecosystem to prove myself to a single infidel. How selfish of you. I might be able to do anything, but that doesn't mean that I will do anything.

No, I am God. I have performed miracles. It is proven in my holy book, so it is true.

no, it's not proven. you don't even have one.

The hell I don't. I have disciples, and I have a holy book. These are cold, hard, facts.

for you that is. so now go and read it in the corner, and spend the rest of your life reading a crappy book and never realising the truth.

1) I don't have to read the book, I inspired those faithful to me to write it.

2) I already know the truth, heathen. I am trying to bring YOU into the light.

can you change other people? like me? no, you can't change me. thus, you're no god.

No, I can change you. I simply choose to let people have free will. They can believe in me or not, it's just not my fault when they choose not to believe in me and damn themselves to an eternity of torture.

Sure I do. I'm God.

no you're not. you can't prove it by changing people.

1) Yes, I am.
2) I have changed people. I changed my disciples.

if you ARE a god, then attempt to change me.

I allow people to have free will. I guess your puny mortal mind cannot understand my motives.

Got proof that it was written before the events it "prophesized" happened?

yes. go to Vatican City, and look in their museum.

That isn't proof. You are merely saying that there is. Why not quoting some of it?

better than your thoughts, at least there are people who thought way more than you can ever possibly do.

Think, more than me? That's a good one. How can a human think more than I, the omipotent David?

Prove that the events prophisized occured AFTER the book of the Bible it is predicted in was written.

WW1, WW2, great famine and depression, etc etc. they are recent events.

And which Bible verses predicted this, exactly?

It's called "writing something after the fact, to fit the story you want to tell".

no, that's your analogy that you just created up which no one else will ever fit with, since you are thinking uniquely.

I didn't make an analogy, I told you how I take those predictions to be. Prove to me that they were written before the events they supposedly foretold.

And of course I think uniquely. There is no one else quite like a god.

i DO have proof for my religion. my life.

And that is proof... how?

Don't deny what you said. You used the example, now deal with it.

i did, didn't i?

Then answer me: Isn't it at all possible that the person named Jesus who fulfilled all those prophecies could have in fact been several different people named Jesus?

whatever.

Foolish human, saying "whatever" simply means you do not understand what I am saying. It does not make what I say incorrect.

No, I believe you mean to say "Conceeded".

no, i said whatever.

Which is the same as saying "I don't understand what you are saying", or "I don't want to acknowledge that you have a valid point", or "Maybe if I pretend not to have heard it, he won't bring it up again".

That had nothing to do with what I asked you. Red herring. Try again, moron.

no, i won't. you can just go to hell after you die. more room for every other people.

1) I'm not going to die. I am immortal.
2) I do go to hell. Every day. I like to see the unrightous person's suffering face-to-face.
3) Indeed there is a place for more people. You are carving a rather exquistely torturous room for yourself with each blasphemous word you say to me.

actually, he said it's pointless, since only through him will you go to heaven.

I take it you haven't read the Bible, then.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus speaking from Matthew 5:18-20

You also suck at debating.

and you lack knowledge.

Unlike your rather unoriginal comeback there, I spake the truth.

Because it wasn't raining for forty days and forty nights non-stop. How long it rains makes a difference, you know.you to

it did. tell me one time of this Earth's age during human civilisation that it didn't rain anywhere on Earth's surface.

Here now, let me rephrase it so that your puny mind might better understand. Has it EVER rained for forty days and forty nights WITH enough intensity to flood the entire earth?

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! you're such an idiot.

You, calling me an idiot? Ha. Indeed, that is my point. You are arguing that the chemical structure of the Earth (read: minerals and metals) are strong enough to withstand rain, when erosion proves that they are not.

How is that truth?

go read my post on that 'Ignorance, sad that people know the wrong facts'.

That is a seperate debate. This is a continuation of the relgious debate, which is why I am referencing posts made there. How is it the truth?

How does that prove that God exis- Oh wait, it doesn't!

it does. you never 'witnessed' it, only read it. thus, you don't even know what you're dealing with.

I asked how it proves that God exists. Your simply saying "it does" does not make it proof. And of course I know what I'm dealing with. I'm dealing with someone who is believing in a false deity, when they could believe in me and be saved.

What, because God decided that I would be, before I was born? Some "kind and loving" being you got there.

well thanks to God, i won't have to see your kind's face in heaven.

Thanks to me, you won't be seeing heaven at all.

you become either God's slave, or Satan's slave. and Satan doesn't rape; that's just one of his... morning rituals.

1) I am no one's slave. I am David, the omipotnent.

2)You say Satan doesn't rape, and then you say that he does. Make up your damned fool mortal mind.

You know, just saying "whatever" isn't going to make you right all of the sudden.

whatever

What fools these mortals be.

Good for you. Any idiot can have their own message board.

you try to make one with a sample template and notepad.

I don't "try", I "do".

you don't even know 1/10 of my life

Meaning... nothing at all, pertaining to this debate.

i find people laughing... laughable

Even when it is your mother laughing at you, behind your back?

And so, that is all the debate that has happened so far. Contact me if you want to be one of the faithful of the Church of David, and help fuck with this idiot's mind.

[InnerBrat]

DPDP, I don't usually make stupid posts like this, but in these long posts formatting i important, and therefore the edit button is your friend

[DPDarkPrimus]

DPDP, I don't usually make stupid posts like this, but in these long posts formatting i important, and therefore the edit button is your friend

I know that, dear, but try as I might, I couldn't get the quote tags to all work...

[InnerBrat]

DPDP, I don't usually make stupid posts like this, but in these long posts formatting i important, and therefore the edit button is your friend

I know that, dear, but try as I might, I couldn't get the quote tags to all work...

Oh well, good luck..

[DPDarkPrimus]

So... want to be one of my disciples? You can help author part of the book of laws, the bits about sex and the like.

[InnerBrat]

Tempted...

But I really want this guy to come here so I can tear his "science" to tiny shreds.
"Oxygen doesn't dissolve in water - look at fishes" !?!?

[NapoleonGH]

DP, i like your usage of some of my retorts from the other thread, worked well. I cant believe he actually claimed that hitting his knee with a sledge hammer on each side wouldnt cause energy transfer, is he that ignorant of basic physics?

[Enforcer Talen]

that sounds painful.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Not going to bother posting his reply, I'll just post my reply to his.
My refutations are getting so long now, I had to divide it into two seperate PMs, because I was over 1000 over the max amount able to be sent.

I'm not going to go screw over the world's ecosystem to prove myself to a single infidel. How selfish of you. I might be able to do anything, but that doesn't mean that I will do anything.

same thing with God. except He does when it's necessary. you can't.

In other words, your God doesn't have to prove himself to me, but I have to prove myself to you? I think not. You have your little false deity prove that he exists to me first, and then maybe I'll consider doing a miracle that outdoes whatever Yaweh can come up with.

don't tell me your disciples are barbie dolls.

No, they are sentient human beings.

1) I don't have to read the book, I inspired those faithful to me to write it.

yeah, barbie dolls

Hardly. They are thinking, living, breathing human beings, and are all more intelligent than you. After all, they have chosen the true faith.

barbie doll theories? too much aqua for you huh?

It's amazing how you damn fool mortals think that if you say something enough times, it makes it become true.

then change me.

I allow humans to have free will, meaning they can choose to follow me or not, of their own decision. A Christian such as you cannot handle the concept of free will, I guess.

1) Yes, I am.

no you're not. NB read article 84-A

What is this foolish and blasphemous article you refer to? If you cannot quote parts of it that prove yourself to be correct, then perhaps you are simply making up the entire thing.

2) I have changed people. I changed my disciples.

i guess cleaning barbie dolls and bathing them is fun huh?

Oh, so that is what you mean by changing you? Make you take a bath?

barbie dolls don't walk themselves OMG! you got one of those robotic ones! amazing...

You seem to have some sort of fetish with Barbie dolls... would that make you a Sodomite?

That isn't proof. You are merely saying that there is. Why not quoting some of it?

Lance of Longinus, still with its blood. look around google, i can't waste time on someone who plays god with barbie dolls

1) There is no proof of the Lance of Longinus. You have been watching too much Neon Genesis Evangelion.

2) You can assume I play with Barbie dolls all you want, but when you die and you discover that you are burning for an eternity, do not try and beg for forgiveness.

Think, more than me? That's a good one. How can a human think more than I, the omipotent David?

hail the ultimate barbie doll ruler!

Once again, I am amazed by you mortals stupidity. Saying something over and over will not make it happen.

And which Bible verses predicted this, exactly?

start of Revelations i think. not sure on my memory. you can search through if you want to.

I am not going to do YOUR work for you. If you think that the Book of Revelations accurately predicted both World Wars and the Great Depression, then quote the verses yourself.

I didn't make an analogy, I told you how I take those predictions to be. Prove to me that they were written before the events they supposedly foretold.

let's see... when did Moses live?

What proof do you have that Moses ever even existed?

no, you don't think uniquely. you just think you do. no one is unique, we're all the same in the core.

So, this means your god isn't unique either. How strange, that would seem to be contradictory to what the Bible says.

just stupid blob of flesh full of carbon chains of protein molecules with structures identified from things we measly call DNA.

I am much more than a stupid blob of carbon and flesh, unlike yourself, mortal.

And that is proof... how?

how do you think i changed from a God-hating (athesist) person all the way into a faithful Christian?

1) Atheists aren't God-hating persons.

2) Through brainwashing, of course.

Then answer me: Isn't it at all possible that the person named Jesus who fulfilled all those prophecies could have in fact been several different people named Jesus?

to answer the question, no.

How foolish you are. Of course it is possible.

Foolish human, saying "whatever" simply means you do not understand what I am saying. It does not make what I say incorrect.

whatever... rofl

It seems that you have been afflicted with some sort of brain disease... it makes you think that you can win a debate simply by denying something over and over again, without proof... how disturbing.

see, you don't know the meaning of my 'whatever'. you don't know me, so how can you know what i'm referring to?

"You don't know me, so you can't argue with me!" Blah blah blah... all you fundamentalists are the same. You don't know me so how can you know what I am referring to? See how that doesn't exactly work, mortal?

you'll be the king of plastic dolls forever, and you should be happy about it too.

Out of all the persons I have encountered, the one with the intelligence (rather, the lack thereof) comparible to a Barbie doll would have to be yourself.

Of course, since I don't force you to worship me, I am not exactly your king.

oh please don't eat the dolls. they aren't good for your health.

This is amazing. You honestly believe that by saying something many times, you will make it the truth? No wonder I never bothered converting many Christians to the true faith.

I take it you haven't read the Bible, then.

but i did. just that it's in korean

www.bible.com

That's in English. Now tell me, how do those passages NOT contradict themselves, when they most certainly do.

and btw, you only have to listen to the first 4 commandments of the 10 in order to believe in Christ properly. the others can be forgiven.

Oh, so one can murder, commit adultury, steal, commit false witness, etc, and still get into Heaven? What a great system you have... unless, of course, you are thinking of different Commandments one can forget if they still want to get into Heaven.

Unlike your rather unoriginal comeback there, I spake the truth.

so did i,

No, no you did not.

you don't even know the chemical composition of your keyboard which you type upon.

I suppose you do?

NOW do you realise why i said time and time again? no pun intended.

I see you haven't refuted my point yet.

so you're saying that your house falls down when it rains even slightly. ouch. do you get compensation for that? insurance?

Where did I say that my house falls down when it rains even slightly? You are using a slippery slope fallacy, as well as false assumptions. My house cannot be felled by rain, it is of divine creation.
and remember, where DO the sediments go? tell me that.

no, i reference it because it will allow you to know what truth means and fact means.

I disproved what you said in that topic already. Whoops.

you're not Bob Page.

Of course I'm not. Bob Page is a mere mortal, unworthy of being compared to one such as myself.

and you can't prove it wrong either. you keep saying i have to, but i don't. it's a matter of faith. try breaking that faith if you can. you never will be with your half cooked brain.

Translation: I cannot explain why I believe in my God, other than that fact that it is just an emotional blanket and catch-all for blaming others as sinners. Nor can I admit to myself that faith is simply the lack of logic.

And the Great David has never cooked his brain even half way.

which is true, anyone who enters heaven loses all their senses except joy and possibly some shallowness for not being more faithful.

You are shallow enough as is, without entering heaven.

which isn't thanks to your barbie dolls, btw.

Be quiet, Ken.

what's your barbie doll made out of? psychologically.

I do not have any Barbie dolls. You must have me mistaken with your father.

in our standards, he rapes. in his standards, it's his morning ritual. read my post in the other thread again.

Why should I re-read your post in the other thread, when it proved only Jack and Shit?

whatever.

You keep asking me why I do not convert you to the true faith. Ever consider that it is because I only wish to have intelligent followers?

go ahead, i give you the chance to use your notepad to write up a Perl code half a meg long and publish it to the internet and get famous for what you have done.

I need not prove myself to one such as you. If you do not believe, then it is of your own choice that you damn yourself.

if you don't know me, how can you know what i'm talking about in the first place?

If you don't know me, how can you know what I'm talking about in the first place?

fool, my mother never laughs.

Oh, she does, she does... you never know it though, since it is behind your back.

[NapoleonGH]

DP: about the rain hitting things argument, he is still missing the point, and i get the feeling that you dont completely get what the argument against the raining is either from your conversations with him (not meant to be insulting at all, just the impression im getting)

Basically it isnt the force of the raindrops that matters in the slightest, each raindrop has a certain velocity and a certain mass. This is its kenetic energy. When the raindrop strikes the earth, the energy cannot just disappear, it must remain, some of that energy of movement would be transfered to the earth as a whole, and the earth would be moved, this is where the rain on the other side of the earth would counter balance the problem. HOWEVER, there is another issue, no energy transfer is 100% some of the energy will after the collision end up as heat, at the very least from friction (try this at home kids, rub your hands together, they get hot, this is friction causing heat.) Also as the water in the rain falls from SUCH a high altitude (as he is claiming that the water was being held at a much higher altitude than water vapor is in the atmosphere today) as it falls it interacts with the atmosphere and friction once again increases its heat (think shooting star burining up in the atmosphere) that heat is also transfered to the ground and the lower atmosphere when the rain hits, causing a double whammy of heat, increasing the ambient temperature of the earth to a point where protiens can be denatured, causing all life to be terminated, include those in a little raft.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I understood that before, albiet without all the technical terms. However, GuGu cannot even comprehend this, much less understand.

[NapoleonGH]

sorry then for stating you didnt, it was just from some of your counter arguments you made an argument that was far weaker than one based on my above post, so i just wanted to be sure you were aware of the other side. no offence intended to be sure

[InnerBrat]

I changed my Av TODAY and he's al;ready obsessed with me?


I'll rip him to threads! Let me at him!

[DPDarkPrimus]

I changed my Av TODAY and he's al;ready obsessed with me?


I'll rip him to threads! Let me at him!

He's just jealous that you aren't into idiots.

[DPDarkPrimus]

the thing is, no one has logic. no one. it's truths people have. which proves why you can't even disprove my scientific theories which can be moresely bashed to bits if you KNEW HOW! but you didn't.

I already bashed your "scientific theories" apart in the thread, you moron. If you can't be bothered to re-read them and realize that I won, then you obviously have a Wall of Ignorance being constructed.

And the Great David has never cooked his brain even half way.

so you eat it raw?

Why would I eat my own brain?
Moron.

You are shallow enough as is, without entering heaven.

i'm not water.

It's a figure of speech, dumbass.

i'm not Ken, i'm Neo

Who do you think you are, Keanu Reeves? This isn't some crappy movie with a big sci-fi budget.

I do not have any Barbie dolls. You must have me mistaken with your father.

then you must have big lego blocks then.

Again, you are being completely ignorant of the facts I have presented you. I have just as much proof for my religion as you have for yours. One holy book.

and why should i reply properly when you're a person who wouldn't get a single thing if i started going about science in 'detail'?

I already DID, you idiot. You keep arguing things that I already disproved. Go look at the stupid fucking thread.

You keep asking me why I do not convert you to the true faith. Ever consider that it is because I only wish to have intelligent followers?

1) i never asked to changed, i asked to stop bashing Christianity if you don't have solid enough evidences to prove it wrong, which no one in the world did yet, or will be able to.

1) I can bash Chrisitanity all I want, because I have proven it wrong about ten times in the old thread already

2) Plenty of people have proven it wrong already

3) "Or will be able to"? It's already been done. Now you're just showing your fundie WoI.

2) you must try Lego Techno. they are better than the pirate ones.

You don't understand, do you? Unlike YOUR God's servents, mine have free will. They aren't mere playthings.

I need not prove myself to one such as you. If you do not believe, then it is of your own choice that you damn yourself.

thus you can enjoy yourself by playing with your lego set now.

In other words: "I cannot make an intelligent reply, so I will make an ad hominem instead".

because you are a typical person who i find just intellegent enough to think of new theories, but can't back it up. same people who sit in the back of sci classes and throws stuff at people sitting in the front.

Where is your proof? I have debunked everything you have thrown at me, while you just sit there and say "no you haven't!" when it's obvious that I have. I have the backing of all those scientists at the message board you are afraid of getting your ass owned at, they know I'm right too.

Remember? I'm posting logs of these. Just like I said, they love your stupidity.

Oh, she does, she does... you never know it though, since it is behind your back.

yeah, she laughs when all she does is reads books all day. sure

Books like "How to tell if your child is a hopeless brainwashed YEC fundie, and how to kill him for the good of humanity", perhaps?

and what, your Lego blocks are marching against you?

No, unlike your god, my followers would never rise up against me.

GuGuEaTeR wrote on 31-07-03 02:13 AM:
God already proved himself to me. but you didn't. He changed me.

The only thing you have changed into is a bigger idiot than before. I'm not seeing much improvement there :rolleyes:

No, they are sentient human beings.

i'll take that as barbie dolls with talk-back features.

Obviously, you need to work on your definitions a bit more, if that's what you consider to be sentient human beings.

Hardly. They are thinking, living, breathing human beings, and are all more intelligent than you. After all, they have chosen the true faith.

but that's what you're going on about. you have no proof. God does. human like you, don't.

You mean, I don't have any proof, like all that proof I have given you in these PMs and in the thread? How come your God can't give you any proof that I can't refute, if he is so great?

all 'scientifically' minded people who learnt theology can understand why no-one has free will.

Now you are just talking about of your ass. Scientificially minded people don't use theology.

Theology is the science of the divine lie
-- Mikhail Bakunin

you certainly don't. so i count you as person who is part of 99% of world's population.

You mean, the 99% that are smart enough to realize that people with beliefs like yours are so idiotic, it's amazing they can still breath and fart at the same time?

you obviously don't read 8-Bit Theatre. lack of humour.

So you are quoting a webcomic as proof that you are right? Oh, what a infallible source.

i don't take a bath, i take a shower.

and you are obviously missing the joke

Me, missing the joke? Maybe if you looked back at all the PMs, you would see who is really laughing.

i don't, but i presume you do. or you like Legos instead because you can customise them?

Again, since you cannot have any sort of intelligent reply, you resort to ad hominems.

1) There is no proof of the Lance of Longinus. You have been watching too much Neon Genesis Evangelion.

no, it exists, known as Spear of Longinus, or Spear of Destiny. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_Destiny

Let me quote from that article:

The Spear is generally regarded by experts as a fake.

Great source you have there.

2) You can assume I play with Barbie dolls all you want, but when you die and you discover that you are burning for an eternity, do not try and beg for forgiveness.

oh please don't brag about your career.

Why? Your god does.

Once again, I am amazed by you mortals stupidity. Saying something over and over will not make it happen.

it won't make it happen because it's the truth.

Saying "Whatever' whenever I make a point you can't refute does not make your viewpoint correct.

I am not going to do YOUR work for you. If you think that the Book of Revelations accurately predicted both World Wars and the Great Depression, then quote the verses yourself.

as i said, i can't be bothered. and you can't make me work

"I can't be bothered": I don't want to help prove that I am right and you are wrong

"And you can't make me work": If you want to go do my work for me, go ahead, but I'm so lazy that I can't even debate properly.

What proof do you have that Moses ever even existed?

http://www.britannia.com/history/berks/rdgrelic.html

And so I quote from there:

# Parts of the rods of Moses & Aaron.
# Part of the rock which Moses struck.
# Manna from Mount Sinai.

Do you have proof that they are parts of the rod of Moses?

Do you have proof that it is part of the rock which Moses struck?

The manna is just plain bull, because the Turkish government doesn't allow ANYONE to go to Mount Sainai.

He's not one of us.

And yet, that's what you were leading me to believe. Interesting.

1) Atheists aren't God-hating persons.

yes they are. some maybe not yell, but they do hate 'religion' of all kind that involves a god or two. which most of them hate God.

Atheists don't believe in God. They can't hate something they don't believe in. Some educated person you are.

2) Through brainwashing, of course.

in matter of 2 seconds? i don't think so...

Unless you went to church for two seconds, after never reading the Bible or studying Christianity, I don't think that you can say that you were converted in two seconds.

How foolish you are. Of course it is possible.

describe.

Let me describe to you how it is possible that more than one person named Jesus existed, and that their exploits were combined into a "one Jesus" myth, much like the Tall Tales of the West.

Oh wait, I just did.

this was a debate? nyum nyum nyum nyum... i'm just having fun chatting.

Obviously, since you haven't been giving much in the way of debate.

brain being raised from an impact isn't a disease.

What's that? You've been dropped on your head?

"You don't know me, so you can't argue with me!" Blah blah blah... all you fundamentalists are the same. You don't know me so how can you know what I am referring to? See how that doesn't exactly work, mortal?

actually, it does. see, i don't know the exact you much, so there really is no point in debating. thus why i'm having some fun.

One does not have to know everything about the other person to debate them on something. One only has to know the relevant information for the debate. Sorry, you lose.

which i don't mind, considering EVERYONE has intelligence comparible to any inanimous object found anywhere in this universe. what's the difference between graphite and diamond?

The configuration of carbon atoms, of course.

Of course, since I don't force you to worship me, I am not exactly your king.

but you're the king of barbie dolls OR lego.

I didn't declare myself king of anything. Why are you blaspheming your God by declaring me ruler?

it's fact, that's why.

Chrisitanity is fact? I've already proven why it isn't. Go look at the religon thread, unless your Wall of Ignorance is blocking the way.

the Christian system is like some sort of fool-proof system against people like you.

More like the Christian religion is a fool-system for people like yourself.

http://www.bible.com

That's in English. Now tell me, how do those passages NOT contradict themselves, when they most certainly do.

i'm NOT downloading Bible off the internet. simply too much to download with a crappy 56k.

You can view it chapter by chapter. You are making Red Herring excuses to try and weasel out of the debate. It's not going to work.

yes, you can go into heaven after murder, adultury, steal, whatever. but Christians don't do that, do they? why? because why would they want to look like pigs in front of the master when they could rather act like lambs and get all the praise?

No, sorry, now you're just contradicting your own Bible. Everyone sins, according to the Bible. You can murder or steal, but as long as you ask for forgiveness, you can go to Heaven. Plenty of Christians murder... or do you think that Bush sending all those troops over to Iraq was for a picnic?

No, no you did not.

stop reading article 84-A.

Why don't you quote this fabled Aricle 84-A, if it is so important to your debate?

I suppose you do?

i know mine. it's made in the old days when computers were just distributed, and considering it turned brown with age, i say it's vulcanised bakelite. these kinds are rare these days, considering it doesn't feel comfortable to touch like recent vintages.

what's yours? oh, i don't think you know :rolleyes:

I see you haven't refuted my point yet.

i'll tell you with the most basic science language you'll hear. rain - does - nothing - unless - it - floods - and - drowns.

No, rain does a lot more than that.

Since you can't understand it when I say it, maybe if my good friend NapoleonGH says it, hmm?

" Basically it isnt the force of the raindrops that matters in the slightest, each raindrop has a certain velocity and a certain mass. This is its kenetic energy. When the raindrop strikes the earth, the energy cannot just disappear, it must remain, some of that energy of movement would be transfered to the earth as a whole, and the earth would be moved, this is where the rain on the other side of the earth would counter balance the problem. HOWEVER, there is another issue, no energy transfer is 100% some of the energy will after the collision end up as heat, at the very least from friction (try this at home kids, rub your hands together, they get hot, this is friction causing heat.) Also as the water in the rain falls from SUCH a high altitude (as he is claiming that the water was being held at a much higher altitude than water vapor is in the atmosphere today) as it falls it interacts with the atmosphere and friction once again increases its heat (think shooting star burining up in the atmosphere) that heat is also transfered to the ground and the lower atmosphere when the rain hits, causing a double whammy of heat, increasing the ambient temperature of the earth to a point where protiens can be denatured, causing all life to be terminated, include those in a little raft."

Whoops, you lose.

Where did I say that my house falls down when it rains even slightly? You are using a slippery slope fallacy, as well as false assumptions. My house cannot be felled by rain, it is of divine creation.

it can, in your words. do you even know what it's made out of? do you even have a blueprint of it? gees, no wonder you can't understand. i must be talking too advanced.

My house isn't made of mere minerals and metals. It cannot erode. Prove me wrong.

I disproved what you said in that topic already. Whoops.

no you didn't, all you did was to continue on and on about religion which isn't relevant to the thread topic, even if Drizzten CLEARLY stated not to discuss religious matters in it.

I disproved it. You were quoting the dictionary terms of "fact" and "truth" and trying to apply them to Christianity, which you can't do, because "faith" is a contradiction of "fact".

Of course I'm not. Bob Page is a mere mortal, unworthy of being compared to one such as myself.

HAHAHAHA you missed the joke HAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again, I ask: Who's missing the joke here?

[DPDarkPrimus]

you call that bashing? no, you stated your theories, which cannot be used to bash stuff. so try again.

Now you're debating semantics? Wow...

I presented rebuttals to your findings that proved your findings wrong. Try again.

Why would I eat my own brain?

because you aren't intellegent enough to distingish between your brain and your spinal nerve system.

Still resorting to ad hominems, are we? I guess intelligent debate is over.

which i have not heard of, so it means nothing to me. until i learn what it means, that is.

In other words: "If I don't know about something, it doesn't matter to me." In other words, anything you don't know, you don't need to know.

Is that what you're trying to say? Because that's what you ARE saying.

and who do you think you are, new barbie doll developer?

I have already said who I am. That you don't believe is irrelevant to whether or not I actually am.

they aren't facts, that's why. theories aren't facts. who's the moron now?

You're still the moron, moron. You must have missed that bit in science class where they taught you about scientific theory.

no you didn't. they don't make any sense, because they are utterly wrong.

How are they utterly wrong? You say they are, but you aren't providing any proof as to why.

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all you did was that i had to prove it, which i didn't. what makes you think you proved it that way except ignoring it?

The burden of proof is still on you. You haven't proven it yet. Meanwhile, I have proven that the Biblical flood was an impossible occurance, meaning the Bible is false.

Plenty of people have proven it wrong already

by people who don't even have master's degree in theology? yeah sure, they are smart and trustworthy in the topic

You don't have a degree in theology either. Appeal to Authority, Ad hominem, and Red herring.

WoI? describe.

Wall of Ignorance. People like you have one. It's what happens when you say things like "you are wrong", without providing any proof. Like you keep doing.

You don't understand, do you? Unlike YOUR God's servents, mine have free will. They aren't mere playthings.

the point is, nothing in the universe other than God has logic. you don't have logic. neither do i.

How do we not have logic? You aren't providing any proof for your claims.

it's called 'result of events'.

What exactly does this "result of events" have to do with anything? You haven't explained it at all.

Where is your proof? I have debunked everything you have thrown at me, while you just sit there and say "no you haven't!" when it's obvious that I have. I have the backing of all those scientists at the message board you are afraid of getting your ass owned at, they know I'm right too.

you didn't debunk anything.

I debunked your pathetic "rain doesn't have kinetic energy" hypothosis.

you want proof? go to your local church and ask there.

They don't have any more proof than you have.

Books like "How to tell if your child is a hopeless brainwashed YEC fundie, and how to kill him for the good of humanity", perhaps?

that was just sad. can't you mock me better?

If you understood the gravity of the situation, you would realize just how harshly you had been insulted.

lego blocks don't rise up against you, because they too don't have any intellegence.

Like you wouldn't rise up against your god, because you don't have any intelligence.

[DPDarkPrimus]

NapoleonGH, GuGu is apparently calling you out!

to NapoleonGH

if that is so, then how come we have not died yet due to amount of energy that came from Sun since earth began? it certainly is more energy than the flood could ever have stored. and thanks to time, those heat energy would have been transferred to potential energy into a sea, thus calculating the heat energy produced by the friction is negligable. and this rained not in a day, but over 40 days of period, giving plenty of time for the heat to be either dissipated to outer space or become potential energy. or at most, it'll cause some erosion through the kinetic energy from cutting rocks. which i agree would happen, but won't be so drastic because the lower grounds would have been emerged of water, thus not enough kinetic power to cut earth. maybe the top-soil, but does it matter now?

Someone doesn't know about the atmosphere...

[NapoleonGH]

My response:

Really now, the reason we havent burned up from all the other heat that is given to the earth historically is because we do re-radiate it out to the outer world at a certain rate, this rate depends on several factors inculding the number of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. One of the most major greenhouse gasses is H2O Dihydrogen Monoxide Water Vapor, in the preflood times your hypothesis is faulty because with that amount of water in the atmosphere the greenhouse effect would be magnified by a very very large degree, the amount of greenhouse increase would be an order of magnitude more than the greenhouse effect we are currently experiencing, meaning the average global temperature would be about 10-20 degrees centigrade higher than it is now, that would be enough to render all the world except for the polar regions uninhabitable by man, so unless noah was living on antartica, i seriously doubt that the water could have been in the atmosphere.

Regardless the issue here is whether the heat increase from the rain is higher or lower than the heat decrease due to re-radiation. However we must remember that this is a heat increase in addition to the normal equilibrium of the earth's temperature. The equilibrium in pre-flood times would be very high compared to here and now, higher than humans would have been able to live in. As it rained you would think that the cloud cover would decrease by a massive amount however the energy from the rain in addition to the retained energy by the atmosphere and the incomming solar radiation would greatly increase evaporation in the rainwater, causing water vapor to continue in the atmosphere. This energy which is rather large as we calculated a long time ago (KE for the rainfall) would in effect be causing the pre-flood waterways to be vaporized, leaving yet more water in the atmosphere to continue to trap in heat by reducing the re-radiation of solar energy, while the energy of impact kept on increasing the ambient temperature on the earth.

The end effect is basically earth getting so hot because of a run-away water based greenhouse effect in addition to the increase in heat from transformed kenetic energy that the temperature on earth would increase from an already hieghtened (by 10-20degrees celcius) average temperature that the end result would be increased average temperature leaving the earth too hot for humans to live in.