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In Alaska, a preview of global warming

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The following is from an article in today's (July 31st) paper:
Alaska and the Arctic are warming up fast, top international scientists will tell senior officials from eight Arctic countries at a conference in Iceland next week. They will disclose early, disturbing findings from a massive study of polar climate change.

In Alaska, year-round average temperatures have risen by 5 degrees Fahrenheit since the 1960s, and average winter temperatures soared 8 degrees in that period, according to the federal government. The entire world is expected to warm by 2.5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100, predict scientists at the International Panel on Climate Change.

2002 was the hottest year in Alaskan history, and this past winter was the second warmest on record, according to the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., which found that Alaskan temperatures began to rise dramatically in 1976. This July, Anchorage recorded its second highest temperature ever as tourists got suntans.

Deborah Williams, the executive director of the Alaska Conservation Foundation, used to take visitors from the Lower 48 to the famous Portage Glacier just outside Anchorage, where the $8 million Begich-Boggs visitor center opened in 1986. By 1993, the Portage glacier had receded so much that it no longer could be seen from the visitors' center. Williams still takes visitors to the site, seeing the glacier's retreat as a warning.

"Alaska is the melting tip of the iceberg, the panting canary," said Williams, who was the chief Interior Department official for Alaska during the Clinton administration.

Portage is "a glacier that's almost out of water; it's thinned dramatically," said U.S. Geological Survey geologist Bruce Molnia, the author of the book "Glaciers of Alaska." About 98 percent of Alaska's glaciers are retreating or stagnant, he said.

Alaskan glaciers add 13.2 trillion gallons of melted water to the seas each year - the equivalent of more than 13 million Olympic-sized swimming pools, University of Alaska in Fairbanks scientists concluded after a decade of studying glaciers with airborne lasers. The rate of glacier run-off has doubled over just a few decades, they found. Alaska's melting glaciers are the No. 1 reason the oceans are rising, Molnia said.

Another frozen staple of Alaska's northernmost lands - permafrost - is also thawing and "is probably the biggest problem on land," said Gunter Weller, director of the Center for Global Change and Arctic System Research at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks.

Permafrost is land that stays frozen year-round. Villages rely on the hard permafrost to prevent beach erosion from violent ocean storms. Two Alaskan native villages, Shishmaref and Kivalina, must relocate because melting permafrost has caused beach erosion, leaving the towns vulnerable to severe storms.

[...]

Melting permafrost also means trouble for the oil industry. Oil companies build pipelines and roads on it to support drilling on the North Shore. To minimize damage to Arctic tundra, oil companies explore for oil on Alaska's North Slope only when roads are frozen with a foot of ice and six inches of snow. The ice-road season has dropped from 200 days a year in 1970 to 103 days in 2002, according to Alaska state documents.

[...]

So far, the greatest effect on forests[from melting permafrost] has come from the spruce-bark beetle, according to Glenn Juday, a professor of forest ecology at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks. The beetle, which kills spruce trees, has long lived in Alaska's forests, but normally takes two years to grow and reproduce; cold spells cut their numbers.

With global warming, however, the beetles now are damaging as many trees each year as they used to ruin in two, Juday said. More than 4 million acres of spruce - Alaska's predominant tree - have been killed, especially on the Kenai Peninsula.

"It's the largest episode of insect-caused tree mortality ever recorded in North America," Juday said.

[....]
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The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment is "[a]n international project of the Arctic Council and the International Arctic Science Committee (IASC), to evaluate and synthesize knowledge on climate variability, climate change, and increased ultraviolet radiation and their consequences.

The Arctic Council is a high-level intergovernmental forum. The members are Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, and the United States of America."

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They should be saying the next ice age, not global warming.


Some other scientists have figured that the melting ice caps would change the salinity of the ocean. That would stop the currents that mix cold water from the poles with the warm water from the equator, keeping the whole ocean mildly warm.

Once the currents stop, the water near the equator will get too hot and the water near the poles will get too cold. Weather changes accordingly and you get ice near the poles. Don't know about the equator.


And remember that this could all be theory.
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And how much of this is related to the increased industrial activity since the 60s, leading to warmer temperatures around measurement areas but not over the whole of the state?

Oh, and, how many times of cycles of temperatures of comparable variation like this been historically recorded--heck, rather ironically, in the ice caps?--countless times.
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I believe in global warming, but only a creature as arrogant as a human being would think that in fifty years humanity could have a noticable effect on something so vast as a planet-wide ecosystem.
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Drewcifer wrote:The following is from an article in today's (July 31st) paper:
Alaska and the Arctic are warming up fast, top international scientists will tell senior officials from eight Arctic countries at a conference in Iceland next week. They will disclose early, disturbing findings from a massive study of polar climate change.

In Alaska, year-round average temperatures have risen by 5 degrees Fahrenheit since the 1960s, and average winter temperatures soared 8 degrees in that period, according to the federal government. The entire world is expected to warm by 2.5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100, predict scientists at the International Panel on Climate Change.

2002 was the hottest year in Alaskan history, and this past winter was the second warmest on record, according to the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., which found that Alaskan temperatures began to rise dramatically in 1976. This July, Anchorage recorded its second highest temperature ever as tourists got suntans.

Deborah Williams, the executive director of the Alaska Conservation Foundation, used to take visitors from the Lower 48 to the famous Portage Glacier just outside Anchorage, where the $8 million Begich-Boggs visitor center opened in 1986. By 1993, the Portage glacier had receded so much that it no longer could be seen from the visitors' center. Williams still takes visitors to the site, seeing the glacier's retreat as a warning.

"Alaska is the melting tip of the iceberg, the panting canary," said Williams, who was the chief Interior Department official for Alaska during the Clinton administration.

Portage is "a glacier that's almost out of water; it's thinned dramatically," said U.S. Geological Survey geologist Bruce Molnia, the author of the book "Glaciers of Alaska." About 98 percent of Alaska's glaciers are retreating or stagnant, he said.

Alaskan glaciers add 13.2 trillion gallons of melted water to the seas each year - the equivalent of more than 13 million Olympic-sized swimming pools, University of Alaska in Fairbanks scientists concluded after a decade of studying glaciers with airborne lasers. The rate of glacier run-off has doubled over just a few decades, they found. Alaska's melting glaciers are the No. 1 reason the oceans are rising, Molnia said.

Another frozen staple of Alaska's northernmost lands - permafrost - is also thawing and "is probably the biggest problem on land," said Gunter Weller, director of the Center for Global Change and Arctic System Research at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks.

Permafrost is land that stays frozen year-round. Villages rely on the hard permafrost to prevent beach erosion from violent ocean storms. Two Alaskan native villages, Shishmaref and Kivalina, must relocate because melting permafrost has caused beach erosion, leaving the towns vulnerable to severe storms.

[...]

Melting permafrost also means trouble for the oil industry. Oil companies build pipelines and roads on it to support drilling on the North Shore. To minimize damage to Arctic tundra, oil companies explore for oil on Alaska's North Slope only when roads are frozen with a foot of ice and six inches of snow. The ice-road season has dropped from 200 days a year in 1970 to 103 days in 2002, according to Alaska state documents.

[...]

So far, the greatest effect on forests[from melting permafrost] has come from the spruce-bark beetle, according to Glenn Juday, a professor of forest ecology at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks. The beetle, which kills spruce trees, has long lived in Alaska's forests, but normally takes two years to grow and reproduce; cold spells cut their numbers.

With global warming, however, the beetles now are damaging as many trees each year as they used to ruin in two, Juday said. More than 4 million acres of spruce - Alaska's predominant tree - have been killed, especially on the Kenai Peninsula.

"It's the largest episode of insect-caused tree mortality ever recorded in North America," Juday said.

[....]
source

The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment is "[a]n international project of the Arctic Council and the International Arctic Science Committee (IASC), to evaluate and synthesize knowledge on climate variability, climate change, and increased ultraviolet radiation and their consequences.

The Arctic Council is a high-level intergovernmental forum. The members are Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, the Russian Federation, Sweden, and the United States of America."

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Ga! The earth's climate is changing as its done dozens of times before!
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I support the effort to put more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and cause global temperatures to increase dramatcally. We NEED it, because it will open up vast tracts of land prsently covered in ice, make presently very cold areas into usable land, and the increase in temperature will bring about a climate similar to that of the cretaceous, during which the planet had untold varieties of life.
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kojikun wrote:I support the effort to put more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and cause global temperatures to increase dramatcally. We NEED it, because it will open up vast tracts of land prsently covered in ice, make presently very cold areas into usable land, and the increase in temperature will bring about a climate similar to that of the cretaceous, during which the planet had untold varieties of life.
Don't forget, NYC and large parts of California would also be submerged underwater.

So there's even more reasons to like global warming! :P :wink:
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Andrew J. wrote:Don't forget, NYC and large parts of California would also be submerged underwater.So there's even more reasons to like global warming! :P :wink:
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Andrew J. wrote:Don't forget, NYC and large parts of California would also be submerged underwater.So there's even more reasons to like global warming! :P :wink:
Hmm....we have a load of garbage. Cement the garbage together and turn them into a makeshift wall. :P~Jason
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Are people even aware that 60 million years ago the average temperature was approximatly 30 degree higher then they are n ow, and that there were no polar ice caps?
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Andrew J. wrote:Don't forget, NYC and large parts of California would also be submerged underwater.
Well.. perhaps just enough to melt the Arctic icecaps. :) Or we can build huge dykes. ut that would ruin Amsterdam because you cant do that for holland..
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Are people even aware that 60 million years ago the average temperature was approximatly 30 degree higher then they are n ow, and that there were no polar ice caps?
And that life was so fucking better off then it is now with dinosaurs the size of houses.. :D
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Well.. perhaps just enough to melt the Arctic icecaps. Or we can build huge dykes. ut that would ruin Amsterdam because you cant do that for holland..
Are you saying we need to build giant lesbians to protect our cities.

And, speaking of the Arctic icecaps, I thought of something:

The Antarctic icecap is on a landmass, so it melting would raise the water level. But the Arctic icecap isn't on a landmass, IIRC (Disregard the next sentence if it is). And if water has less volume than ice, wouldn't melting the Arctic icecaps lower the water level?
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IIRC, to fully melt both polar icecaps the world temperature would have to rise sufficiently to make the average temperature at the equator about 140F. I don't think the advantage of being able to farm in central Siberia would be worth it.
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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
The Antarctic icecap is on a landmass, so it melting would raise the water level. But the Arctic icecap isn't on a landmass, IIRC (Disregard the next sentence if it is). And if water has less volume than ice, wouldn't melting the Arctic icecaps lower the water level?
Only about half the Antarctic icecap is sitting on land, the rest is sitting on the seabed. The vast majority of the arctic ice is floating, with only a small bit on islands. However the Antarctic ice which is sitting on the seabed also rises considerably above sea level, and when all that ice melts it will contribute to raising sea level quite a bit, so will all the melting ice on the section that's on land. However the Arctic ice melting shouldn't change much, what's really going to do it is the thermal expansion of the oceans as the world temperature rises.
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I love the whole global warming debate. The ECO Nazis just look the other way when are presented with facts concerning the Earths natural temp cycle. 10,000 yeas, ago oddly enough the same time stone henge and the temples at anchor were built, the Earths temp was on average 7-10 degrees warmer than now. It definatly didnt harm Human exsitance than and it definatly wasent caused by humans. All we are seeing is the Earths natual climate cycle.
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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Are you saying we need to build giant lesbians to protect our cities.
Ofcourse. We need huge 100 foot tall lesbians to fend off the evil water. I suggest Mel and Linds from QAF. :D
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Melting North-pole ice adds another meter or two to sea levels. The west antarctic ice sheet would bring us up 15-20 meters. The EAST Antarctic sheet, however, would raise sea levels over FIFTY meters if it melted.

Fortunately, that's the least likely to happen. Worry about the salinity drop and the ocean conveyor shutting off. You'll be pining for the days of "global warming".

Saying "global warming" is the scientists way of saying "something is changing, and I don't know why." We know SQUAT about human effects on earth's atmosphere.
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Um, wouldn't melting the polar cap not do much, since the reduced volume of melted ice would be offset nearly exactly by the volume currently above sea level sinking into it?

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Pu-239 wrote:Um, wouldn't melting the polar cap not do much, since the reduced volume of melted ice would be offset nearly exactly by the volume currently above sea level sinking into it?
The ocean is salt water, not fresh water like ice is.
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hmm a few scientists think higher levels of magnetic activity in the Sun could be helping Global Warming.
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[quote="Typhonis 1"]hmm a few scientists think higher levels of magnetic activity in the Sun could be helping Global Warming.[/quote]

I have heard that also, and if you look at it, Mars Tempeture has been rising as Earths is.
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