Death Star vs Death Star

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2003-07-26 04:33pm

Lets suppose the Rebels successfully infiltrate and take over a Death Star.
The Empire sends another Death Star to neutralize it.

Can one Death Star have strong enough shields to withstand a Superlaser hit drom another Death Star?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-26 04:37pm

No. The Alderaan shield held up for only a fraction of a second against the Death Star's beam. The Death Star's shield isn't appreciabley stronger than Alderaan's (if its even that strong). A single Death Star beam would be way more than enough to kill another Death Star.

Darth Mall · Post by **Darth Mall** » 2003-07-26 04:39pm

The question is not can the empires death star witstand a hit from the rebellions one, but can the rebbelions one suvive Palpy's built in destruct codes.
Also where would the rebellion get 1 mil. troopers.

But i think it would really be down to who can fire first, as the superlaser is built to go through planetary shields, and i doubt that the DS are more powerful than a planets.

Plus when the core of the DS gets hit it will explode so a glancing hit would make the DS blow its self up.

i'm not sure about the power to shielding ratio stuff. and im to damn tired to look it up. so look it up your self

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-26 07:28pm

I once in a short story had the Rebels build a Death Star as a secret base. unlike the Imperial version i envisioned the Rebels would disguise the thing to look and appear to be a normal moon or a large asteroid. It had the super laser disquised as a crater and had multiple other craters similer to through off attackers. I have long since lost both the drawings of the thing and the manuscript. Its too bad I never did anything with it

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Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-07-27 03:10pm

So you had it look something like Mimas?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-27 04:29pm

Luke Starkiller wrote:So you had it look something like Mimas?

Yep it did. The Main docking center was disquised to look like a Space Slug too.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-07-27 09:30pm

Its barely conceivable that a DS with full superlaser charge could put it all into shield energy, with prior notice. Very unlikely though.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-07-29 02:07am

But i think it would really be down to who can fire first, as the superlaser is built to go through planetary shields, and i doubt that the DS are more powerful than a planets.

True but tactics would still play a significant part. If a Death Star can drop out of hyperspace behind an enemy Death Star and outside it's firing arc it has effectively won. Death Stars take a long time to rotate on their axis so the other Death Star would have nearly half hour to line up a perfect shot with it's superlaser.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-29 03:48am

Um, why do you say it takes half an hour for a Death Star to rotate?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-07-29 05:04am

Howedar wrote:Um, why do you say it takes half an hour for a Death Star to rotate?

I apologize. My calculations were wrong. I checked SWTC and the correct figure is one minute. Here is the link to the calculations Dr Saxton made http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ds/propuls ... l#rotation.

Still the basic premise is unchanged. A Death Star that can enter realspace outside the enemy Death Star's firing has a decisive advantage. It would have plenty of time to line up a perfect shot long before the other Death Star could rotate to face it.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-07-29 12:45pm

A related question. Who would win in this battle. The DS2 or the Pulsar Station.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-30 09:22am

This is one of the more interesting vs. topics i've seen.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-30 10:15am

Alyeska wrote:A related question. Who would win in this battle. The DS2 or the Pulsar Station.

Huh what's pulsar station?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-07-30 08:59pm

DS2 wins based off of power output. Beam necessary to kill a SSD would be no more than 1e30, DS2 shields are at least 2e33, and firepower is supposed to be at least 2e35 per second.

Pulsar station was a pocket superweapon, never actually built, used as a plot device in X-wing book 8, Isaard's Revenge. Basically a very scaled down DS, minus most of the frills, built around several superlasers, each able to take out a SSD.

otter · Post by **otter** » 2003-08-01 11:27am

Isolder74 wrote:
Alyeska wrote:A related question. Who would win in this battle. The DS2 or the Pulsar Station.
Huh what's pulsar station?

I think he meant CenterPoint Station. Its sort of like a weapons version of a Dyson's Sphere in a way.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-08-01 12:50pm

otter wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Alyeska wrote:A related question. Who would win in this battle. The DS2 or the Pulsar Station.
Huh what's pulsar station?

I think he meant CenterPoint Station. Its sort of like a weapons version of a Dyson's Sphere in a way.

Oh that thing

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-02 01:06am

No, Pulsar Station exists(well, in theory anyway), and is entirely seperate and distinct from Centerpoint.

Yeesh, doesn't anyone bother to read my posts?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-08-02 08:38am

consequences wrote:No, Pulsar Station exists(well, in theory anyway), and is entirely seperate and distinct from Centerpoint.

Yeesh, doesn't anyone bother to read my posts?

The only problem is the exchange appeared to happen just as you posted that's all.

Matt7 · Post by **Matt7** » 2003-08-02 12:57pm

as to the question of centerpoint vs. ds, centerpoint wins. If the repulsor can move planets, it could probably just smash the DS, or use the hyperspace repulsor to move it into a black hole, or something like that.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-08-02 01:15pm

The Pulsar Station is possibly DS1 sized, probably a little smaller. Its completely covered in gravity well generators as well as being covered with mini super lasers that are concave in the surface (think golfball). Its designed to hop into a system and completely smash anything in there. The Pulsar station is superior at taking out fleets then either the Eclipse or DS2 because of its design. With a minimum of 6 super lasers and possibly upwards of several hundred, could the Pulsar Station take down a standard DS?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-08-02 01:38pm

No, as the mini-superlasers would lack the wattage combined to overwhelm the Death Star's shields.

I doubt the Pulsar Station was even half the diameter of the Death Star I, as each of her superlasers were less powerful than that of the Eclipse or Soveriegn, and would require a much, much smaller reactor that either Death Star.

A 30-40 km diameter sphere could accomplish the description of the Pulsar Station easily.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-08-02 01:53pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, as the mini-superlasers would lack the wattage combined to overwhelm the Death Star's shields.

I doubt the Pulsar Station was even half the diameter of the Death Star I, as each of her superlasers were less powerful than that of the Eclipse or Soveriegn, and would require a much, much smaller reactor that either Death Star.

A 30-40 km diameter sphere could accomplish the description of the Pulsar Station easily.

And such a ship would be vastly superior than an Eclipse.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-08-02 02:10pm

Indeed, but there's no need for the bulk you're talking about when arguably an Eclipse's powerplant could power many of the superlasers and grav-wells. Maybe somewhat bigger, but not that much.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-02 02:35pm

That sort of power might be needed to take out several Executor type craft within a short time. An Eclipse that charges for a day would have an output somewhere around 1e32-33 for the effects described(piercing a planetary shield, but not overcoming the planet's mass). This only gives a constant charge fed to the superlaser of 1e27-28 per second, which may not suffice for a heavy capital ship(presuming that power generation is rather more than the 14x figure often assumed for an Executor-Isd power comparison, and based more upon the volume of the ship)

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-08-02 03:50pm

Would a superlaser beam, should it not be aimed directly at the reactor, pass through the station leaving it heavily damaged but relative intact? The superlaser shot would be at full, planet-sploding power.