Killing in the OT, "That's how wars are fought"???

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-07-30 06:44am

In a debate about killing in the bible some guy said that killing in the war was self defence, and wasn't against "Thou shalt not kill. " So I mentioned that killing women, children, and the invasion in Joshua as a counter. Then this guy goes like this:

To nomadic tribes that's how wars are fought, Gengis Khan did the same things 2500 years later.

Ignoring Gengis Khan, does that stand as a good reason? I think not, because that means local traditions can override the words of god.

Suggestions?

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-30 06:55am

yes, it means that The Way We Do Things overrides the Word of God.

So, everything that our society takes as OK, regardless of the Bible, overrides the Bible. Like homosexuality for one.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-30 07:42am

Hmm, whenever I read 'OT', I instantly think 'Off-Topic'.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-07-30 09:29am

3rd Impact wrote:Hmm, whenever I read 'OT', I instantly think 'Off-Topic'.

Same for me i thought 'Off-Topic" too

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-07-30 09:38am

Montcalm wrote:
3rd Impact wrote:Hmm, whenever I read 'OT', I instantly think 'Off-Topic'.
Same for me i thought 'Off-Topic" too :?

I was thinking "Original Trilogy."

Han fired first, dammit!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-07-30 09:53am

The "everybody does it" fallacy is just that: a fallacy. It's basically a repackaged appeal to popularity, arguing that something must be moral if others have done it.

By his idiotic reasoning, it was perfectly moral for Osama Bin Laden to wipe out thousands of innocent civilians because Genghis Khan would have done the same thing.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-30 10:33am

BTW, Genghis Khan was never a moral man in the first place....

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-07-30 10:36am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:BTW, Genghis Khan was never a moral man in the first place....

But he never let a stinking book dictate his life.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-07-30 10:45am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:BTW, Genghis Khan was never a moral man in the first place....

That's why I ignored it in the first place, because I usually use these so-called examples mentioned as a 'your moronity sum-up' esque heavy bat.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-30 11:40am

Montcalm wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:BTW, Genghis Khan was never a moral man in the first place....
But he never let a stinking book dictate his life.

Neither did Joshua, since I doubt whether the Pentateuch was written back then. (or was it? I'm not much of a biblical scholar.)

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-02 05:34am

IIRC Genghis only destroyed cities to send a message so others would surrender without a fight, joshua destroyed almost everything.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-08-02 06:46am

Tosho wrote:IIRC Genghis only destroyed cities to send a message so others would surrender without a fight, joshua destroyed almost everything.

No, the Mongols destroyed cities that surrendered. They slaughtered the populace as well when the city resisted. It was just if you surrendered then the populace got to leave the city before it was destroyed. The Mongols liked to have lots of land for grazing.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-02 07:42am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Tosho wrote:IIRC Genghis only destroyed cities to send a message so others would surrender without a fight, joshua destroyed almost everything.
No, the Mongols destroyed cities that surrendered. They slaughtered the populace as well when the city resisted. It was just if you surrendered then the populace got to leave the city before it was destroyed. The Mongols liked to have lots of land for grazing.

When I said destroyed I didn't mean it literally, I meant the people inside the city sorry for the confusion.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-08-03 12:05am

I'd say it's an appeal to popularity. Just because all of the other nomadic tribes did it, it doesn't mean the genocide is justified. And, didn't God command the genocide?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-08-03 12:27am

How do we know all the other tribes did it? How do we know that the Israelites weren't innovators in the realm of terror?