If you were to go back to the American Revolution..

Hasler · Post by **Hasler** » 2003-08-01 11:30pm

you could ram the english navy

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-08-02 11:54am

What if once you take the carrier back in time, you realize that you forgot the planes and can't go back to get them? Would the carrier have any use without planes?

You'd still have some missiles to play with.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-08-02 12:00pm

Iceberg wrote:As far as nuclear-powered surface ships go, I'd rather have a Virginia-class CGN (updated with VLS) than a Kirov. Of course, getting your hands on a Virginia right now might be tough...

Err... why? The Virginia has zero advantages over the Kirov, combat capability wise.

Col. Crackpot wrote:The Iowa. I agree with Nitram. planes just aren't practical. but then again the Iowa would run out of fuel not more than a week or so after entrance intocombat. I would really rather have one of these! Isn't shepretty?

Btw- bellona.no are a bunch of rabid enviromentalist fundies who take the legit cause of raising awareness about all those obsolete hulk nuclear subs in the Northern and Pacific fleet and pervert it into screaming NUCLEAR... AHHH! Every chance they get. I'd also take their naval news with a relative grain of salt until you see it repeated elsewhere- they've often proclaimed the demise of several ship classes only to be proven wrong repeatedly.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-02 12:05pm

Trytostaydead wrote:
Well, carriers carry tactical nukes, don't they?

As of the Presidency of the George H. W. Bush the policy of the US has been not to deploy nuclear weapons on surface ships.

The official policy being: "I can not confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons onboard fill in name of ship here but currently it is not the policy of the United States to deploy such weapons on surface ships".

Or something in those basic terms.

I will tell you that all of the WTs (weapons technicians -- ie: nuke weapons guys) on my last ship (USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72) had to convert to different ratings. Most either went Gunner's Mate or Information Specialist (because of their security clearance).

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-02 12:11pm

Hasler wrote:you could ram the english navy

Heck, you might have a decent chance at capsizing a few ships just with your wake.

I'm surprised no one has come up with a way to rig the steam catapults on a carrier to launch some weapons. I'm sure that something used to help toss a 15 ton aircraft could be converted into some sort of useful weapon.

Just break out the Star Trek Gerryrig Engineers....

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-08-02 12:19pm

Id take the carrier since it's nuclear powered. You would not even need to strafe/bomb/missile the enemy fleets. You could just pull up along side and have sailors and marines throw molotov cocktails over the side!

Of course that does put them at risk, but think about it. I would think simple tracer rounds can light those ships sails or decks on fire. Just running them over or setting them on fire is all you need.

Save the aircraft for a massive strike on the industrial base in London.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-08-02 12:49pm

Well, if you want to take over the world and you have nukes, it really doesn't matter which ship you take. A tomahawk can deliver the warhead as easily as an F/A-18. A few of those babies and Europe would collective shit itself.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-02 12:58pm

Arrow Mk84 wrote:Well, if you want to take over the world and you have nukes, it really doesn't matter which ship you take. A tomahawk can deliver the warhead as easily as an F/A-18. A few of those babies and Europe would collective shit itself.

Don't the newer tomahawks make use of gps during their flights?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-08-02 11:58pm

What about modifying the phalanxs so that they can be manually aimed at ships?

Hasler · Post by **Hasler** » 2003-08-03 12:47am

I think they can be manually targeted and you could always tell them the british ship which would show up on radar is the enemy.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-08-03 01:01am

Can't i have an SSBN?

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-08-03 01:33am

Pu-239 wrote:What about modifying the phalanxs so that they can be manually aimed at ships?

It might be easier just to use the 25mm guns they rotate around the fleet. A couple on each side of the carrier would be devastating to the wooden ships.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-08-03 01:39am

I saw Pirates of the Caribbean today and I thought about how much difference some modern weapons would make in a ship to ship battle. Even a force of 4-5 Marines with modern weapons would be of immense value.

Can you imagine the shock when some fires an AT-4? Or rakes the opposing ship with fire from light machine guns?

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2003-08-03 03:00am

Or rakes the opposing ship with fire from light machine guns?

Whatever happens we have got
the Maxim gun and they have not.
-Hilaire Belloc

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-03 04:50am

I'd take the carrier, go to the nearest port, and wait there till 1799 when I'd offer the carrier to Napoleon. Something tells me that He'd be quite happy with the idea of me being the new head of the French military R&D.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-08-03 07:37am

Tosho wrote:I'd take the carrier, go to the nearest port, and wait there till 1799 when I'd offer the carrier to Napoleon. Something tells me that He'd be quite happy with the idea of me being the new head of the French military R&D.

France would actually have a chance of ruling the world...

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-08-03 07:53am

EmperorMing wrote:
Tosho wrote:I'd take the carrier, go to the nearest port, and wait there till 1799 when I'd offer the carrier to Napoleon. Something tells me that He'd be quite happy with the idea of me being the new head of the French military R&D.
France would actually have a chance of ruling the world...

No, nature abhores French rule. If France was to get the carrier, a blackhole would form in Paris and suck in the entire country.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-08-03 08:44am

darthdavid wrote:Can't i have an SSBN?

A Project 941 would be much more interesting than the Iowa.