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Just wondering, but if some country were dumb enough to send a nuke at the US (NK and China only two I can think of who might try) and the US reduced that country to nothingness with a massive nuclear retaliation...

Would any of the terrorists or third world crazies want to fuck with us anymore?
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Well, it'd either royally piss off the Europeans or keep them in line.
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RogueIce wrote:
Would any of the terrorists or third world crazies want to fuck with us anymore?
Many terrorists still would, the people paying them wouldn't .
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RogueIce wrote:Just wondering, but if some country were dumb enough to send a nuke at the US (NK and China only two I can think of who might try) and the US reduced that country to nothingness with a massive nuclear retaliation...

Would any of the terrorists or third world crazies want to fuck with us anymore?
Not everyone is motivated by the fear of death.
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The terrorists wouldn't care. They're too covert and hidden among the innocent to really worry about nukes. To them, death is the end of a mission, they'd probably see it as an act of war...
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HemlockGrey wrote:Well, it'd either royally piss off the Europeans or keep them in line.
:?: Have you ever heard of NATO and the estipulated reply to a nuclear attack? The Europeans nukes and armies would be available for american use.
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Rye wrote:The terrorists wouldn't care. They're too covert and hidden among the innocent to really worry about nukes. To them, death is the end of a mission, they'd probably see it as an act of war...
Alright, I didn't really mean the "lone" crazy fanatics, I'm referring to the "big-players" who get state-sponsered stuff...not a bunch of nuts who strap bombs to their chests.
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I meant that, if the USA glassed some nation, either the French/Germans would bitch or be scared straight. France isn't part of NATO anymore, is it?
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HemlockGrey wrote:I meant that, if the USA glassed some nation, either the French/Germans would bitch or be scared straight. France isn't part of NATO anymore, is it?
They have not been a part of the military command structure for several decades however France is still part of the political structure.
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France is part of the political structure of NATO, but not the military structure.
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--If anyone nuked the U.S. or one of its allies that country would be reduced to a glass lake. If China or Russia did this the U.S. would also take serious damage in retaliation.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:I meant that, if the USA glassed some nation, either the French/Germans would bitch or be scared straight. France isn't part of NATO anymore, is it?
They have not been a part of the military command structure for several decades however France is still part of the political structure.
Does this mean that NATO must still come to France's aid if attacked, but France is free from such obligations to other nations?
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StimNeuro wrote: Does this mean that NATO must still come to France's aid if attacked, but France is free from such obligations to other nations?
That would be a bit nonsensical, no? France has the exact same rights/obligations as the other members. It's just outside the command structure. That's why it placed itself (together with the rest of NATO) right along the U.S after 9/11, and sent the military to Afeqhanistan.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
StimNeuro wrote: Does this mean that NATO must still come to France's aid if attacked, but France is free from such obligations to other nations?
That would be a bit nonsensical, no? France has the exact same rights/obligations as the other members. It's just outside the command structure. That's why it placed itself (together with the rest of NATO) right along the U.S after 9/11, and sent the military to Afeqhanistan.
Should have used :shock: after my post. It would be incredibly ridiculous, but Sea Skimmer's post seemed to imply that.
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If we nuke in retaliation to a nuke, we're justified and everyone including France will be on our side. If we premptively nuke, we're in trouble.
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Rye wrote:The terrorists wouldn't care. They're too covert and hidden among the innocent to really worry about nukes. To them, death is the end of a mission, they'd probably see it as an act of war...
so we nuke Medina, and tell them plain and simple, you fuck us again we nuke Mecca. Saudi's be damned, we have Iraqi oil now.
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we hit mecca, we declare war on islam.

maybe a bad idea.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
StimNeuro wrote: Does this mean that NATO must still come to France's aid if attacked, but France is free from such obligations to other nations?
That would be a bit nonsensical, no? France has the exact same rights/obligations as the other members. It's just outside the command structure. That's why it placed itself (together with the rest of NATO) right along the U.S after 9/11, and sent the military to Afeqhanistan.
I don't know the details but that is what's implied by the distinction. France has limited rights and obligations thanks to that but I don't know the exact details. In practical terms it means there is cooperation enough so the frogs don't get the old heave ho.
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