Attention Aviation Buffs and Military Enthusiasts!

[Damaramu]

Here's a question for people in the field and/or those who just know their shit:

Ignoring the rest of the film, just how accurate was that SAM vs F/A18 sequence in the film Behind Enemy Lines?

What'd they do well? What'd they do wrong? (They being the film-makers)

Anyone know what kind of missile was fired at them?

Thanks in advance!

[Sea Skimmer]

Here's a question for people in the field and/or those who just know their shit:

Ignoring the rest of the film, just how accurate was that SAM vs F/A18 sequence in the film Behind Enemy Lines?

What'd they do well? What'd they do wrong? (They being the film-makers)

Anyone know what kind of missile was fired at them?

Thanks in advance!

If you can provide a screen cap I could tell you with near certinaly, I have not seen the film and don’t intend to change that. The missile in flight or the firing unit will work.

The event the movie is very loosely based off of involved an SA-6. Hollywood however sometimes produces real models, which are accurate down to ID number on the side, and sometimes makes sort of generic SAM's which look real enough and are composites of many things. However they also often make up complete crap, which defy logic.

The TV show Sphere had one SAM set up which would have tipped over the TEL if it made even the slightest turn. Luckily the launch canisters where clearly made of fiberglass, and not anchored firmly to the BRDM's roof..

[Damaramu]

Here's a question for people in the field and/or those who just know their shit:

Ignoring the rest of the film, just how accurate was that SAM vs F/A18 sequence in the film Behind Enemy Lines?

What'd they do well? What'd they do wrong? (They being the film-makers)

Anyone know what kind of missile was fired at them?

Thanks in advance!

If you can provide a screen cap I could tell you with near certinaly, I have not seen the film and don’t intend to change that. The missile in flight or the firing unit will work.

The event the movie is very loosely based off of involved an SA-6. Hollywood however sometimes produces real models, which are accurate down to ID number on the side, and sometimes makes sort of generic SAM's which look real enough and are composites of many things. However they also often make up complete crap, which defy logic.

The TV show Sphere had one SAM set up which would have tipped over the TEL if it made even the slightest turn. Luckily the launch canisters where clearly made of fiberglass, and not anchored firmly to the BRDM's roof..

No problemo!

http://www.geocities.com/morgan_mayhem/missile.html

[Sea Skimmer]

Here's a question for people in the field and/or those who just know their shit:

Ignoring the rest of the film, just how accurate was that SAM vs F/A18 sequence in the film Behind Enemy Lines?

What'd they do well? What'd they do wrong? (They being the film-makers)

Anyone know what kind of missile was fired at them?

Thanks in advance!

If you can provide a screen cap I could tell you with near certinaly, I have not seen the film and don’t intend to change that. The missile in flight or the firing unit will work.

The event the movie is very loosely based off of involved an SA-6. Hollywood however sometimes produces real models, which are accurate down to ID number on the side, and sometimes makes sort of generic SAM's which look real enough and are composites of many things. However they also often make up complete crap, which defy logic.

The TV show Sphere had one SAM set up which would have tipped over the TEL if it made even the slightest turn. Luckily the launch canisters where clearly made of fiberglass, and not anchored firmly to the BRDM's roof..

No problemo!

http://www.geocities.com/morgan_mayhem/missile.html

That will do nicely..

The Launcher is a SA-13 GOPHER/ZRK-BD Strela-10 firing unit. It may actually be real, the US government obtain a couple through various means, and several nations very friendly to the US have them.

The missile fired however is imaginary. It's length to width ratio is all wrong and the fins much too large for an SA-13, or most anything else. Such massive fins would create too much drag.

he SA-13 uses an expanding rod warhead, this thin clearly a flechette warhead. One or two missiles built for point missile defense have used such, but it doesn’t work very well. Chances are the FX people saw a British Star streak warhead, which uses three big exploding darts, and made this after looking at shotgun flechette shell as well. Morons..

That aside, there's absolutely no way the missile could have caught the F/A-18. The SA-13's maximum engagement altitude is 3500 meters, or about 11,500 feet. In that third shot it is clearly much higher then that, more like 20,000+. Its also appears to be in a tail chase, which would great cut down on the effective altitude.

Very stupid, heck the whole point of the range only radar on the SA-13 is so the crew doesn’t fire at things they can't hit, like this Hornet.

Hollywood bull strikes again basically..

They should have used an SA-6, which is the missile involved in the real incident this movie was inspired by. It can at least reach well over 20,000 feet and hit things up there

[Vympel]

Its absolute bullshit: first of all the rocket motor burns seemingly FOREVER- second of all the missile MAKES CONTACT with the plane, doens't explode (even though its a prox fuse!), comes back round for another pass, then hits it, IIRC.

And how exactly do you detect an IR missile launch? Does the F/A-18E have that equipment?

[Akm72]

I was going to say that it is going to have an IR-based missile warning system fitted, but a google search of some Super Hornet specific websites did not mention such a system even once, so I'm probably wrong (at least at this time).

That said, the USN is working on a DIRCM under the names ALQ-212 and TADIRCM, which is likly to end up fitted to the Super Hornet. This is a combined IR-based MWS and blinding-laser which can target and jam incoming IR-homing missiles.

[Sea Skimmer]

Its absolute bullshit: first of all the rocket motor burns seemingly FOREVER- second of all the missile MAKES CONTACT with the plane, doens't explode (even though its a prox fuse!), comes back round for another pass, then hits it, IIRC.

And how exactly do you detect an IR missile launch? Does the F/A-18E have that equipment?

Some aircraft, Hornet Included have heat sensors, which can stop the launch plums of missiles.

However, the SA-13 has a range only radar, its use before firing would have alerted the Hornet pilot. Course, if they did use it, and the movie was realistic, they woundn't have fired because it would have told them the target was out of range.

Actually, the crew would have eyeballed it and known that, and woundn't have given away there location by ranging.

[Wicked Pilot]

That sequence was strict hollywood bullshit. I mean come on, drop the fuel tank to throw off a missile? Holy shit, I laughed my ass off during that entire sequence. In fact, I laughed for the entire film. Not a good laugh, a "you're pathetic" laugh. That was two hours out of my life that I will never get back.

[TrailerParkJawa]

When I went home last night I stopped by my friends house for dinner. I was leafing through his Marine Corps Times and there was an article that Scott O'Grady is filing a lawsuit over the movie. Something to the effect that it was a portrayal of his experience without his consultation.

[Vympel]

When I went home last night I stopped by my friends house for dinner. I was leafing through his Marine Corps Times and there was an article that Scott O'Grady is filing a lawsuit over the movie. Something to the effect that it was a portrayal of his experience without his consultation.

*thread resurrected* You gotta be kidding me. Is he the guy that went down over Bosnia? What shot him down?

[TrailerParkJawa]

Yeah thats the guy that got shot down in an F-16. I dont know what bagged him.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

That sequence was strict hollywood bullshit. I mean come on, drop the fuel tank to throw off a missile? Holy shit, I laughed my ass off during that entire sequence. In fact, I laughed for the entire film. Not a good laugh, a "you're pathetic" laugh. That was two hours out of my life that I will never get back. (emphasis mine)

WTF!?!!?!? How the fuck would dropping a FUEL TANK throw off a missile, even if it was radar guided!!? I've lost all respect for Hollywood portrayals of aerial combat....

[Sea Skimmer]

Yeah thats the guy that got shot down in an F-16. I dont know what bagged him.

Multi round SA-6 salvo