Did SD.Net kill ASVS?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-08-02 02:38pm

I tried to get into ASVS. I really did. I even posted there once or twice.

But the fact of the matter is that a newsgroup is a vastly inferior format compared to a BBS. Not only is SD.net *far* more accessible, it's also more familiar, boasts a simpler interface, and has far more options, extras, and assorted paraphenalia than ASVS does(or could, given the restrictions of the newsgroup format).

Far more people will find SD.net than ASVS, and, given a choice, will almost always chose the one with the superior format.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-08-02 02:49pm

I bopped around ASVS for about three months, made the top 10 in posts, then disappeared back into the depths of various things.

As to what ASVS is... I wouldnt' really know,. I haven't been there since May. When I was there, it did seem to be going down hill due to spam, and there weren't really all that many debates going. I think that yeah, it's on it's last legs, but it was fighting to stay alive.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-08-02 04:24pm

HemlockGrey wrote:But the fact of the matter is that a newsgroup is a vastly inferior format compared to a BBS.

A newsgroup most certainly is not inferior to a BBS. A newsreader is far, far faster and more efficient than a BBS server. Newsgroups cannot be hacked because their content is stored across many different servers, and they do not "go down" like a BBS can. Furthermore, your capabilities for reading a newsgroup are limited only by your client, and most popular Usenet clients have a vast wealth of features that a BBS does not have, like a kill-filter. It's also not possible to save a message as a draft on a BBS.

BBS servers, while more accessible, are hugely error-prone compared to a newsgroup. BBS servers introduce HTML rendering bugs, PHP errors and the like. Newsgroups communicate one thing: plain text. This makes them far more efficient for simple communication purposes. There are advantages and disadvantages to each, but Usenet is by no means inferior to a BBS.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-08-02 07:31pm

One problem Durandel, all the news servers I joined were error riddled and I could not see ANY posts by certain people (such as Chris O'Farrell). The simplicity of a message board as well as the moderated and admin nature of it makes for a much better system for communication.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-08-02 07:37pm

A newsgroup most certainly is not inferior to a BBS. A newsreader is far, far faster and more efficient than a BBS server. Newsgroups cannot be hacked because their content is stored across many different servers, and they do not "go down" like a BBS can. Furthermore, your capabilities for reading a newsgroup are limited only by your client, and most popular Usenet clients have a vast wealth of features that a BBS does not have, like a kill-filter. It's also not possible to save a message as a draft on a BBS.

But most of these are technical triumphs, and what matters to the average person is simplicity and cosmetics.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-08-02 08:32pm

Actually, I kinda like the Un-Modded/Un-Admined feel of a newsgroup sometimes. Until it gets ransacked by trolls, but there are ways to deal with this, I suppose.

But it makes it seem like the "Wild West" (to steal someone else's description) as opposed to someplace where you gotta follow the rules, or else.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-02 08:38pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I tried to get into ASVS. I really did. I even posted there once or twice.

But the fact of the matter is that a newsgroup is a vastly inferior format compared to a BBS. Not only is SD.net *far* more accessible, it's also more familiar, boasts a simpler interface, and has far more options, extras, and assorted paraphenalia than ASVS does(or could, given the restrictions of the newsgroup format).

Far more people will find SD.net than ASVS, and, given a choice, will almost always chose the one with the superior format.

I tried to get involved in ASVS as well, but was too inept to do so.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-08-02 11:56pm

The problem is that I have no access to a decent news server and google sucks.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-03 05:23am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I feel as though I am obligated to put something to the jist of "Murderer of ASVS" into my sig.

Maybe it should be Mike's custom title.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-08-03 12:25pm

Alyeska wrote:One problem Durandel, all the news servers I joined were error riddled and I could not see ANY posts by certain people (such as Chris O'Farrell). The simplicity of a message board as well as the moderated and admin nature of it makes for a much better system for communication.

You should've tried news.cis.dfn.de.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-08-03 06:09pm

I've never been on ASVS to be honest, dispite hearing so much about it. The VS debate has been settled by the ICS. Even our VS forum is pretty dead these days. The difference was over here at SD.Net we had more than Trek vs Wars to talk about.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-08-04 05:35am

First time I went to ASVS was right before SD.net was started up, last time I visited was a week ago. That place is dead alright, spam clogging the filters. Pity...

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-08-04 06:51am

Lord Pounder wrote:The difference was over here at SD.Net we had more than Trek vs Wars to talk about.

I dont think so, we talked about a lot of stuff over there just as there is here. The difference is there are more people here with different veiwpoints etc.
There was one thread that was a argument about the use of mass excrement in warfare.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-08-04 04:09pm

Stuart Mackey wrote:There was one thread that was a argument about the use of mass excrement in warfare.

Mass excrement...?

If that's the same excrement I'm thinking about... You ASVSers are sick.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » 2003-08-04 05:24pm

You don't even want to know....

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-04 10:23pm

ASVS the newsgroup is mostly dead. ASVS the group of people is most certainly alive, and is a dominating force on these boards.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-08-05 03:41am

RogueIce wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:There was one thread that was a argument about the use of mass excrement in warfare.
Mass excrement...?

If that's the same excrement I'm thinking about... You ASVSers are sick.

There are few depths we have not plunged to....

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-08-05 04:23am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Mass excrement...?

If that's the same excrement I'm thinking about... You ASVSers are sick.
There are few depths we have not plunged to....

Yet.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-08-05 04:44am

Dalton wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Mass excrement...?

If that's the same excrement I'm thinking about... You ASVSers are sick.
There are few depths we have not plunged to....
Yet.

Indeed..we of ASVS have a tradition to keep up.

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