Another time travel thread

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-08-03 03:30am

By using an HG Wells type time machine modified to also move in space as well as time, I'll trace to our primate ancestor, and then every hundred years I'll bury one with a sign saying "EVOLUTION RULES."

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-03 05:31am

I'll do one of following two things:

1. Preventing the fall of the Minoan culture on Crete and Thera.

2. Preventing the Soviet Union's existence. This way, I'll probably prevent the death of 30+ million people who died as a direct result of the Soviet Union's agricultural policies.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-03 05:41am

I'd go back and "deal with" Stalin, and then ensure Trotsky came to power. He'd have dealt with Hitler a lot better.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-03 08:27am

I'd do everything in my power to make sure that by 2003 most of Europe, Northern Africa, the western region of the middle east except for Isreal*, and a chunk of South America call Napoleon I's great-great-great-great grandson Emperuer.

*Napoleon and the Jews

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-03 11:21am

Gandalf wrote:I'd go back and "deal with" Stalin, and then ensure Trotsky came to power. He'd have dealt with Hitler a lot better.

While Trotsky wasn't at bad as Stalin, he was also rather nasty.

For example - Trotsky proposed the abolition of a worker's right to choose his occupation as well as death penalty for draft-dodging, and as a direct result of Trotsky's military policies many loyal Red Army troops were accused of treason and imprisoned because they were captured by the enemy and escaped back to the Soviet Union.

It would have been much better if the Soviet Union hadn't existed at all.

Matt7 · Post by **Matt7** » 2003-08-03 02:15pm

pull a Red Alert - go back in time and assassinate Hitler
and win the lottery....

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-03 11:35pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote:I'd go back and "deal with" Stalin, and then ensure Trotsky came to power. He'd have dealt with Hitler a lot better.
While Trotsky wasn't at bad as Stalin, he was also rather nasty.

For example - Trotsky proposed the abolition of a worker's right to choose his occupation as well as death penalty for draft-dodging, and as a direct result of Trotsky's military policies many loyal Red Army troops were accused of treason and imprisoned because they were captured by the enemy and escaped back to the Soviet Union.

It would have been much better if the Soviet Union hadn't existed at all.

IMO Trotsky was a lot smarter, and his leadership would have resulted in fewer USSR casualties. And if no Soviet Union, then we might still have had Czarist Russia, which would have been completely overrun by Hitler.

Specialist · Post by **Specialist** » 2003-08-04 01:27am

I would prevent the Roman Empire from falling. Bring information from the future such as world map, historic text, ways to banish religon, encyclopedias, advancement in science etc.

If this isn't a one way trip I would also skip ahead a few years over some 500 year timeline to reinforce my plan

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-04 01:35am

Go back 40 years and shoot Bin Ladin. Trying to muck with anything further back than a few years ago risks fucking the world up in ways I can't imagine.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-08-04 01:43am

Go back to when the US was still in its infancy and take over Canada and Mexico...

With the appropriate tools and help of course.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-04 06:46am

Gandalf wrote: IMO Trotsky was a lot smarter, and his leadership would have resulted in fewer USSR casualties. And if no Soviet Union, then we might still have had Czarist Russia, which would have been completely overrun by Hitler.

Your argument dwells upon the assumption that Czarist Russia won't turn into an ordinary democracy. (like it happened in France)

BTW, Trotsky might have been smarter than Stalin - but that's like saying that Mussolini wasn't as nasty as Hitler.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-08-04 06:51am

Go back a hundred billion years and step on a bug. Take that humanity!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-04 06:59am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Go back a hundred billion years and step on a bug. Take that humanity!

I thought the universe was only 6 billion years old.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-04 07:37am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Your argument dwells upon the assumption that Czarist Russia won't turn into an ordinary democracy. (like it happened in France)

BTW, Trotsky might have been smarter than Stalin - but that's like saying that Mussolini wasn't as nasty as Hitler.

1. I think as leader of the USSR, Trotsky would have had the military run with the same brutal efficiency that he ran the Red Guard with during the civil war. Whilst I will acknowledge we was not a nice man, he would have at worst beeen as bad as Stalin. Also, unlike Stalin, he would have hit back at the Nazi's as soon as they crossed the border into Russia.

2. If there was no initial revolution, a Russian democracy would be unlikely, as the experiment with the Duma failed, and the others who opposed the Czar had no real influence. In addition to this, Stalin had to push Russia VERY hard in order to bring it near to the standards set by the rest of Europe, and a democratic government, by the time it got set up, if it even happened would have been very effective, as the army would have been loyal to the Czar etc.

BTW, Thanks for the sig mention.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-04 08:12am

Gandalf wrote: 1. I think as leader of the USSR, Trotsky would have had the military run with the same brutal efficiency that he ran the Red Guard with during the civil war. Whilst I will acknowledge we was not a nice man, he would have at worst beeen as bad as Stalin. Also, unlike Stalin, he would have hit back at the Nazi's as soon as they crossed the border into Russia.

I agree that Trotsky was a more competent leader, but having a democracy in place of the Soviet Union dictatorship would be even better.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-04 08:25am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote: 1. I think as leader of the USSR, Trotsky would have had the military run with the same brutal efficiency that he ran the Red Guard with during the civil war. Whilst I will acknowledge we was not a nice man, he would have at worst beeen as bad as Stalin. Also, unlike Stalin, he would have hit back at the Nazi's as soon as they crossed the border into Russia.
I agree that Trotsky was a more competent leader, but having a democracy in place of the Soviet Union dictatorship would be even better.

It would have been good, but wouldn't the Nazis have beaten the absolute crap out of them in search of Lebensraum? leaving more German soldiers alive when it comes time for D-Day. A democratic government might have even surrendered to the Nazis. Think of the allied costs when it comes time to destroy Germany then.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-04 08:50am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote: 1. I think as leader of the USSR, Trotsky would have had the military run with the same brutal efficiency that he ran the Red Guard with during the civil war. Whilst I will acknowledge we was not a nice man, he would have at worst beeen as bad as Stalin. Also, unlike Stalin, he would have hit back at the Nazi's as soon as they crossed the border into Russia.
I agree that Trotsky was a more competent leader, but having a democracy in place of the Soviet Union dictatorship would be even better.

How about a constitutional monarchy where in dire situations such as WWII it could become a "semi-autocrocy."

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-04 11:40am

Tosho wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote: 1. I think as leader of the USSR, Trotsky would have had the military run with the same brutal efficiency that he ran the Red Guard with during the civil war. Whilst I will acknowledge we was not a nice man, he would have at worst beeen as bad as Stalin. Also, unlike Stalin, he would have hit back at the Nazi's as soon as they crossed the border into Russia.
I agree that Trotsky was a more competent leader, but having a democracy in place of the Soviet Union dictatorship would be even better.
How about a constitutional monarchy where in dire situations such as WWII it could become a "semi-autocrocy."

That might be more possible.

Gandalf wrote:It would have been good, but wouldn't the Nazis have beaten the absolute crap out of them in search of Lebensraum?

A democracy isn't less competent at waging war than a dictatorship.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-08-04 01:57pm

I'd go back to the end of the first World War and make sure that the conditions imposed on Germany wouldn't be so bad as to make the German people desperate enough to elect a madman. I'd then skip ahead a few years and prevent the Depression from happening.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-08-04 02:06pm

Go back and keep France-Ferdinnd from being assasinated

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-08-04 11:21pm

I'd save Great Khan Ögödei's life.

Deliver Special Order 191 to the Confederates.

Convince the Roman Empire to stop killing christians.

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2003-08-05 12:48am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Go back a hundred billion years and step on a bug. Take that humanity!

Too bad bugs back then were bigger than your foot.

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2003-08-05 12:53am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:...prevent the Russian Revolution, which could perhaps prevent Communism from being established...

Thank you, I had great uncles who faught for the Czar and the White Russians. I think maybe they would like your idea.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-05 02:32am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote:It would have been good, but wouldn't the Nazis have beaten the absolute crap out of them in search of Lebensraum?
A democracy isn't less competent at waging war than a dictatorship.

1. A dictatorship can generally get things done a lot quicker than a democracy.

2. Trotsky led a massive build up of the Red Guard/Army in his few years in charge of it, he recruited millions of members, and almost single handedly won the civil war. If he had been in charge during WW2, Germany would have been beaten back quicker, and he wouldn't have ignored the initial phase of the invasion like Stalin did.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-08-05 05:36am

Drooling Iguana wrote:I'd go back to the end of the first World War and make sure that the conditions imposed on Germany wouldn't be so bad as to make the German people desperate enough to elect a madman. I'd then skip ahead a few years and prevent the Depression from happening.

.

Another thing that would help is to keep Germany's Monarchy. The former Kaiser hated Hitler.