Enforcer Talen wrote:supposedly, robin of the 50s television show, got laid with some 60 women.
something about his cute tights.
Almost correct....it wasn't his cute tights....it was what was IN those cute tights. There was more than one reason he was called the "Boy Wonder"! it is said that he was(is) hung like a horse!
The thing that pissed me off was the duel that Horn has with Luke.
Something like
Luke - "I was more into racing when i was younger"
Horn - "Maybe you shoulda been a Jedi Racer then"
Thats the guy who took out Vader and not only that but single handedly rebuilt the Jedi. So now not only is Horn a better fighter, pilot, and looker but Stackpole makes Horn Luke's fucking crisis counselor.
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's a pitty that nobody decided to whack Horn during the New Jedi Order. It probably could have turned one of the worst books into the best in the series.
I haven't even read anything with him in it, and the bastard still pisses me off. Stackpole broke one of the rules of basic fan fiction: don't write self-insertion, because it's lame and people can spot it damn easily.
They may as well have. Corran Horn has barely done anything since the third book.
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Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer. He turned the character into a one-dimensional "guy who does everything awesomely" dolt who no one in his right mind could ever relate to.
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You can say that im just a Stackpole fan boy, and yeah thats true cause i am defending him, i really really enjoyed the X-Wing books and I Jedi, and if you read all the books with Corran Horn in them you can see he has the same personality in all of htem except for I Jedi. Im going on a limb but since its in the first person perspective of Corran Horn himself is it possible that the Luke-Corran duel was all in Corran's mind and that he saw himself doing all these cool things on that Pirate planet (read I Jedi a year and a half ago). I did like the fact that it went deeper into how his real father hid from the Empire and why he has the Jedi powers he does have and dosent have.
I have one question though, in which Kevin J Anderson book was it that the apprentices on Yavin 4 moved the star destroyer from above the moon. DarkSaber or Jedi Acadamy trilogy. I thought it was DarkSaber because i remember reading it a good amount of years ago and i read the Jedi Acadamy Trilogy last year but the image i have in my head of the scene is on the back of the JA trilogy book.
and in my opinion Kevin J. Anderson and K.W. Jeter are the worst writers not Stackpole
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Horn doesnt seem to be too bad as a supporting character, especially in the hands of other writers. Its just when he gets into stackpole's hands that the problems start.
Durandal wrote:Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer.
In other words, the sci-fi equivalent of Jack Ryan??
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Durandal wrote:Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer.
In other words, the sci-fi equivalent of Jack Ryan??
LOL.
I liked Executive Orders though, so to you.
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Durandal wrote:Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer.
In other words, the sci-fi equivalent of Jack Ryan??
Isn't Jack Ryan more like a character that Clancy throws into his books without continuity? I really don't know, but that's what I gather. For example, does the Jack Ryan in one novel have memories of what happened in a previous one?
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Durandal wrote:Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer.
In other words, the sci-fi equivalent of Jack Ryan??
Isn't Jack Ryan more like a character that Clancy throws into his books without continuity? I really don't know, but that's what I gather. For example, does the Jack Ryan in one novel have memories of what happened in a previous one?
I meant it more in the sense that Jack Ryan is the archetypical "family man hero". At least that's what he'll always represent to me.
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Durandal wrote:Corran Horn was a good character originally. Then Stackpole decided that he could be a pilot, Jedi, husband, father and high-ranking officer.
In other words, the sci-fi equivalent of Jack Ryan??
Isn't Jack Ryan more like a character that Clancy throws into his books without continuity? I really don't know, but that's what I gather. For example, does the Jack Ryan in one novel have memories of what happened in a previous one?
Jack Ryan is the main character for most stories. Even when he's not relevant to the story, Clancy throws Ryan in anyways, even if it is just for a bit part(Rainbow 6, Without Remorse). Ryan does keep his memories from story to story and they can even be important every now and then(Red October key in Cardinal).
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's a pitty that nobody decided to whack Horn during the New Jedi Order. It probably could have turned one of the worst books into the best in the series.
I haven't even read anything with him in it, and the bastard still pisses me off. Stackpole broke one of the rules of basic fan fiction: don't write self-insertion, because it's lame and people can spot it damn easily.
They may as well have. Corran Horn has barely done anything since the third book.
Didn't he go into some sort of self-imposed exile after the fall of Ithor? Something about the Senate blaming him for the Vong using bioweapons on the planet?
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Durandal wrote:Essentially yes. He basically wanted to disassociate himself from the Jedi Order, or more accurately, disassociate the Jedi Order from himself.
Which quite possibly might be what Stackpole wanted to do as well?
And if I may add one thing, How fucking boring is a Jedi that can't use TK!
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Durandal wrote:Essentially yes. He basically wanted to disassociate himself from the Jedi Order, or more accurately, disassociate the Jedi Order from himself.
Demonstrating that Corran's character shields were so strong that the author couldn't even kill him off when as it appeared that he didn't want other authors to use him from the way he was written out.
Durandal wrote:Essentially yes. He basically wanted to disassociate himself from the Jedi Order, or more accurately, disassociate the Jedi Order from himself.
Demonstrating that Corran's character shields were so strong that the author couldn't even kill him off when as it appeared that he didn't want other authors to use him from the way he was written out.
In a way that makes sense, I could have seen Corran getting killed and Stackpole probably wants to use him again. Though this self exile bullshit is a bad way of doing it, perhaps if Corran had self exiled himself to the objections of all the others it would be more feasible. Actual self doubt that sent him close to the Dark Side or something and not any of this "Oh Im Exiled now because I am good for everyone if I do I am so great hero worship!"
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Some of the other Jedi did try to talk him out of it. And he showed up again in Enemy Lines: Rebirth.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Some of the other Jedi did try to talk him out of it. And he showed up again in Enemy Lines: Rebirth.
And I doubt Stackpole intended for that to happen.
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Durandal wrote:Essentially yes. He basically wanted to disassociate himself from the Jedi Order, or more accurately, disassociate the Jedi Order from himself.
Which quite possibly might be what Stackpole wanted to do as well?
And if I may add one thing, How fucking boring is a Jedi that can't use TK!
I thought the no-tk was quite a good idea myself. The energy absorption idea was also quite good. Was that stakepole's own idea? Or is it from some connon/official source? Aside from TESB i mean.
Durandal wrote:Essentially yes. He basically wanted to disassociate himself from the Jedi Order, or more accurately, disassociate the Jedi Order from himself.
Which quite possibly might be what Stackpole wanted to do as well?
And if I may add one thing, How fucking boring is a Jedi that can't use TK!
I thought the no-tk was quite a good idea myself. The energy absorption idea was also quite good. Was that stakepole's own idea? Or is it from some connon/official source? Aside from TESB i mean.
THe No-TK is utter bull though, A Jedi that cannot manipulate one aspect o the force while practically every other Jedi has is nonsense, I think Corran is just too stupid to learn how to try!
More seriously speaking though, Corran horn's inability to use specific Jedi powers that no other known Jedi has failed to do raises serious questions to me about his competency.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:THe No-TK is utter bull though, A Jedi that cannot manipulate one aspect o the force while practically every other Jedi has is nonsense, I think Corran is just too stupid to learn how to try!
More seriously speaking though, Corran horn's inability to use specific Jedi powers that no other known Jedi has failed to do raises serious questions to me about his competency.
Well, Corran can do Tk he just needs to shoot himself several times.
And about the duel thing, the point was Luke was losing cause he wasn'tt concentrating or trying at alll, he was "we doomed"-y at the time. Later in the book its clearly shown when luke easily takes down half-a-dozen jenasaari that hes clearly better than corran. Corran would have bin killed by his jenasari had mirax not shot her.
But your right Stackpole tries to make Corran wonderful at everything.
And about the duel thing, the point was Luke was losing cause he wasn'tt concentrating or trying at alll, he was "we doomed"-y at the time. Later in the book its clearly shown when luke easily takes down half-a-dozen jenasaari that hes clearly better than corran. Corran would have bin killed by his jenasari had mirax not shot her.
It was stupid to have luke in that situation to begin with (no thanks to KJA)
no matter how luke was feeling at the time though he should NEvEr have been bested by Corran, a Jedi with no formal training should never even hold a candle to a Jedi of Luke's caliber.
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Lord Pounder wrote:The thing that pissed me off was the duel that Horn has with Luke.
Something like
Luke - "I was more into racing when i was younger"
Horn - "Maybe you shoulda been a Jedi Racer then"
Thats the guy who took out Vader and not only that but single handedly rebuilt the Jedi. So now not only is Horn a better fighter, pilot, and looker but Stackpole makes Horn Luke's fucking crisis counselor.
it is said that he was(is) hung like a horse!
Thats the guy who took out Vader and not only that but single handedly rebuilt the Jedi. So now not only is Horn a better fighter, pilot, and looker but Stackpole makes Horn Luke's fucking crisis counselor.
