Disputing Jedi Powers and abilities

[Illuminatus Primus]

Most of them were neophytes. The Jedi Mace was able to get were mostly apprentices and newbies that happened to be at the Temple.

[Lord of the Farce]

All this is amusing as hell to read, but the fact that the Jedi were soundly defeated in the arena at Geonosis is a huge black spot on the Jedi reputation.
Were they neophytes? Were they really so weak that so many of them couldn't have been more effective against droids? TPM hangar scene seemed to indicate they shouldn't have been mauled the way they were.

As I just posted in another thread:

And what of the hundred something Jedi who were killed or wounded? Hopping out of the arena and making an escape would have reduced casualties greatly and shouldn't have been that difficult (again, ref: TPM), yet they didn't. Combined with the possibility of their overall power having been reduced, it makes sense.

[Slartibartfast]

Then explain why in TPM Obi Wan and Qui Gon Jinn didn't just get rid of the
Droidekai through Force Throw, which they had used moments earlier
to dispatch a bunch of Soldier Droids, and continued burning through the
blast door? That was a place where Force Throw would have been
perfect...and it had been used MOMENTS BEFORE....

That's because they already used up their Force Throw and had to memorize it again after a full night of sleep.

[consequences]

Good One.

Seriously, there is no reason why qui-Gonn shouldn't have looked up when OB1 said destroyers, taken 1 hand off of his lightsaber, and vaguely waved it at the destroyers, blasting them down the hallway while OB1 blocked their shots.

[Illuminatus Primus]

But they didn't. So what?

We know they could have. That's all that matters.

[Iceberg]

This is why I hate the new trilogy. It's really shitty. For years,
all of us on ASVS were eagerly awaiting seeing the Jedi at their
peak and badassedness, and what do we get, a bunch of depowered
Jedi.

Shep, it doesn't matter HOW badass you are. If you're badly enough outnumbered, you are GOING DOWN.

Sensei says, "Two against one, problem man can handle. Six against one, no man can handle."

[Darth Wong]

Shep, don't be an idiot. Jedi have these powers, since they demonstrated them onscreen. The question of why they don't always use them is a matter worthy of conjecture and theorizing; perhaps they're weak in AOTC, perhaps that many Jedi can't use that much of the Force in one place at one time, perhaps they had already used them heavily just to get into the arena unseen in the first place (not a simple task for 200 people who are visibly and obviously not indigenous) and they were worn out, perhaps they were arrogant, perhaps they didn't high-jump because that would only make them nice predictable arcing targets. Who knows?

But simply blathering that you think their powers are bullshit because you don't know why they aren't using them continuously is ridiculous. We've seen these powers in action, and it was totally deliberate, not an FX mistake or any of that nonsense.

[Knife]

Nice to see you still have not the brain cell to understand...that gee whiz...deflecting fire back to said droid that has shielding, and because of that makes deflection pointless, thus able to lay more amounts of fire Shep.

Wow, you're really fucking stupid. This is about the Force, and the use of it,
not whether jedi can reflect blasters back to the droids. Why didn't he just
close his fist and crush that Droidekai's braincase like a twig?

Tactical whoopsy? Truely, Obi might have thought of taking the Droideka's on like the majority of the droids he had already fucked up. When shields came into the picture and the blasters started churning, his chance to end it quickly was gone and they had to change stategies.

[Knife]

Another thought on Geonosis; numbers and heavy weapons did the Jedi in, in the arena. The Geonosians had the big green blob gun that took out concentrations of Jedi in the arena. How the hell can you deflect a bolt when its bigger than you?

[Darth Wong]

Wow, you're really fucking stupid. This is about the Force, and the use of it, not whether jedi can reflect blasters back to the droids. Why didn't he just close his fist and crush that Droidekai's braincase like a twig?

Why don't you answer your own question? Why do you think he didn't do this? Because he lacks TK ability? That is an absurd and stupid explanation in light of the fact that said TK powers have been demonstrated.

You are committing the "not A, therefore B" fallacy. If you are not completely satisfied with some explanation as to why Jedi don't use their powers in <insert situation here>, then you assume that you have somehow disproven those abilities. But when you state it as a theory, its absurdity becomes clear.

Your (apparent, but unstated) theory: Jedi do not have enough TK power to damage mechanical components in a droid.

Conventional theory: Jedi did not use their TK powers in that particular case for some reason, as yet undetermined.

Your theory directly contradicts observation, since they have been shown using those powers to disable droids in battle. The conventional theory needs to be fleshed out, but has the advantage of not directly contradicting observation.

If that is not your theory, then state your theory rather than simply blathering that you "hate Jedi fanboys" and whining like a 12 year old girl having her first period.

[Ender]

Good One.

Seriously, there is no reason why qui-Gonn shouldn't have looked up when OB1 said destroyers, taken 1 hand off of his lightsaber, and vaguely waved it at the destroyers, blasting them down the hallway while OB1 blocked their shots.

Get a picture of a standing droideka and a Battle droid. Look at them long and hard. Then tell me what is different about the Droideka that would make that far harder to knock down and smash then a battle droid.

Here's some hints: Center of mass, and triangles are extremely stable.