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Which sport has the best athletes?

Baseball
1
2%
Basketball
9
19%
Football (American)
4
8%
Soccer
9
19%
Rugby
5
10%
Track & Field
8
17%
Wrestling
3
6%
Other
9
19%
 
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SpacedTeddyBear wrote:

Runners actually have to dodge other runners and keep track of each other in a race, whether it is in track or on the road. Once your mind starts to slip, people start passing you up. Plus in a race, you have to watch out for other people elbows and feet. Have you ever been jabbed in the stomach or the ribs when you are breathing as hard as you can? Runners on the track actually have to manuever around each other, or else they can lose a race when someone runs up on the inside, or if you get shoved to the outside and you end up running the longer race.
This is even worse for cycling. This years tour de france had some nasty accidents.
Guys like Lance Armstong deserve alot of respect.
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What, no votes for lawn bowling?
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SpacedTeddyBear wrote:Do basketball players have to run up to 2hrs every workout ( up to three times a day for pros). Do basketball players have to run over 100miles a week just to stay in shape to compete on the international level? ( ~60-80 in college; ~50 in highschool). Do basketball players have to do the exact same repetitive motion of running for miles or hours on end? Do basketball players have to watch were they run or else they may get a several bleeding gashes from the other persons spikes?
Well gee whiz, you proved that track runners have to be faster and have better endurance than basketball players, a point that not only have I conceded, it's a point I never contested in the first place. I said that basketball players, while they don't have to be as fast as runners, they do have to be faster than most people and they need an entire additional set of skills track players don't need.
Runners actually have to dodge other runners and keep track of each other in a race, whether it is in track or on the road. Once your mind starts to slip, people start passing you up. Plus in a race, you have to watch out for other people elbows and feet. Have you ever been jabbed in the stomach or the ribs when you are breathing as hard as you can? Runners on the track actually have to manuever around each other, or else they can lose a race when someone runs up on the inside, or if you get shoved to the outside and you end up running the longer race.
All this is very nice and adds to a runner's difficulty, but you can't honestly claim that a runner on a linear racetrack has the same obstacles to deal with as a basketball player trying to score in the face of five giant dudes trying to stop him. At least on a racetrack, everybody is moving in the same direction! As for taking elbows, watch what happens in the paint in a pro game sometime. Or two guys diving for the ball. Which brings me to another point: a basketball player has to do all this while keeping in mind the shot clock, the location of his teammates, the location of the other team's players (lest a pass get intercepted by someone lurking just outside his peripheral vision), and has to be ready to stop and shoot accurately from anywhere between five and thirty feet away.

Look, I'm not trying to take anything away from the track guys, okay? The fastest human beings alive run track. I'm just saying basketball players, while they don't have to be as fast as runners, do need a balance of skills that most other athletes don't. And every basketball player needs them; basketball's division of labor is so loose that pretty much every player needs to be capable of playing any position--try playing an NFL linebacker as a quarterback or a MLB catcher as a shortstop and see what happens.
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Darth Wong wrote:What, no votes for lawn bowling?
I don't know about lawn bowling, but as for regular bowling, I can appreciate any sport where I perform better drunk than I do sober.
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RedImperator wrote:Look, I'm not trying to take anything away from the track guys, okay? The fastest human beings alive run track. I'm just saying basketball players, while they don't have to be as fast as runners, do need a balance of skills that most other athletes don't. And every basketball player needs them; basketball's division of labor is so loose that pretty much every player needs to be capable of playing any position--try playing an NFL linebacker as a quarterback or a MLB catcher as a shortstop and see what happens.
This is still a pretty arbitrary definition of what makes a superior athlete. Basketball requires similar athletic attributes from all positions, which is why one player can play another position. I don't see any reason why this should be regarded as an intrinsic superiority.

Football is combined-arms warfare. The receiver is a track star while the linebacker must have athletic abilities far more weighed toward sheer brute strength. Direct comparisons to basketball players are pointless; the basketball players can probably jump higher than linebackers and have better endurance, but they could not play the linebacker position any more than a linebacker could play basketball.

One could just as easily argue that the uniformity of basketball player attributes means that football players are, as a group, arguably more athletic. They span a greater range of attributes from superior speed (the sprinters who often become wide receivers) to monstrous bone-crushing strength (the linebackers).
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Darth Wong wrote:This is still a pretty arbitrary definition of what makes a superior athlete. Basketball requires similar athletic attributes from all positions, which is why one player can play another position. I don't see any reason why this should be regarded as an intrinsic superiority.

Football is combined-arms warfare. The receiver is a track star while the linebacker must have athletic abilities far more weighed toward sheer brute strength. Direct comparisons to basketball players are pointless; the basketball players can probably jump higher than linebackers and have better endurance, but they could not play the linebacker position any more than a linebacker could play basketball.

One could just as easily argue that the uniformity of basketball player attributes means that football players are, as a group, arguably more athletic. They span a greater range of attributes from superior speed (the sprinters who often become wide receivers) to monstrous bone-crushing strength (the linebackers).
Linebackers need speed though (Ex: Brian Urlacher), they need that speed to catch Running Backs and Quarterbacks, The fastest ones are the most successful. The Brute Strength is for the guys on the Line. They definitely need the balance of power and speed I mentioned earlier. A Halfback in football too needs the speed to get down the field, the strength to break tackles and plow through people, and the endurance to run for hundreds of yards a game (if you count running from side to side, kick returns, running backwards, and running without the ball Running backs do a lot in terms of distance).
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I don't see volleyball listed either.. :P Volleyball - endurance, being able to jump, and a bit of upper body strength, as well. However, I think maybe IronMan competitors have the most athleticism (c'mon, ten sports!) now that I think about it..

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verilon wrote:I don't see volleyball listed either.. :P Volleyball - endurance, being able to jump, and a bit of upper body strength, as well. However, I think maybe IronMan competitors have the most athleticism (c'mon, ten sports!) now that I think about it..

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That being said I have to respectfull disagree with Verilon. Volleyball is a game of skill definitely, and those who play it regularly are damn good at what they do but it is not as demanding as some other sports.
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I never said anything about it being up there in the athleticism, but you never mentioned the IronMan.. :P

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verilon wrote:I never said anything about it being up there in the athleticism, but you never mentioned the IronMan.. :P

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Duh! Because I can't argue with the IronMan! Plus I was never discriminated against joining the schools Ironman team :lol:
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NFL players athletic? Yeah right:
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Instead of trying to dance around the real reason for the increasing number of heat-related, training-camp collapses, why won't some NFL team physician put it in a way that everybody understands:

The players are just too freaking fat.

Forget about all these scientific symposiums and studies the NFL is conducting to reduce its liability. Here's the only analytical equation you need to know:

Fat man plus hot sun equals heatstroke.

Last week, two Jacksonville Jaguars players - Larry Smith and John Henderson - were hospitalised after passing out at training camp. Smith weighs 136kg, Henderson weights 140kg.

Their collapses come on the heels of a lawsuit filed by the widow of Korey Stringer, the 152kg Minnesota Vikings offensive tackle who collapsed and died during training camp in 2001.

You don't have to be a physiologist to know that the larger the mass of a surface area, the harder it is to cool. The shocking thing is that there haven't been more deaths in the gobbling, gorging, gluttonous NFL (Never Full League).

"You're going to see more and more players falling out during training camp," former Tampa Bay Bucs defensive tackle Brad Culpepper said. "The players are getting heavier and heavier, and let's face it: 330 pounds (140kg) is not a natural weight for anybody. It's unnatural and unsafe. It's too much strain on your heart to pump blood through that much fat."

This unhealthy lifestyle was one of the chief reasons Culpepper, now an attorney in Tampa, Florida, couldn't wait to retire. He spent his career bulking up to the inflated weight of 127kg. Now he weighs 88kg and feels better than he has since childhood.

"I've never had this much energy," Culpepper said. "Think of how hard your body has to work to lug around all that extra weight."

There was a day in pro football when being 300 pounds (136kg) was taboo; it meant you were too fat to play. Now, if you weigh less, you're considered a malnourished runt. As recently as 1980, the league had no 300 pound players. This year, nearly 500 300-pounders are grunting their way through training camp.

Retaining water? These guys are so puffed up, they look like they're retaining oleo. Their soup bowls should come with lifeguards.

Bubba Paris, the former 154kg offensive tackle for the San Francisco 49ers, told me today that one of his teammates used to consume 8000 calories a day just so he could get near 300 pounds. Can you imagine - intentionally eating to get fat, players purposely bloating their bodies just so they can compete?

"Even if you're not genetically big, you're going to do what you have to do to put on weight," Paris said. "Millions of dollars are riding on it."

But the tax on these millions of dollars is too often exacted on the player's body. Former New Orleans Saints defensive lineman Frank Warren, one of the NFL's original 300-pounders, died last year of heart disease at age 43. Former Vikings offensive lineman Curtis Rouse, a 350-pounder (158kg) who was once the NFL's heaviest player, had a stroke several years ago at age 37. He weighed nearly 500 pounds (226.8 kg) at the time.

"You have to look at the big picture in life: He who lives longest wins," Culpepper said.

"There's a reason you don't see many 300-pound 70-year-olds."

Frank Warren died before he was 50. Curtis Rouse nearly died before 40. Korey Stringer never even made 30.

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BoredShirtless wrote:NFL players athletic? Yeah right:
You are talking about Linemen, and possibly all of the Detroit Lions.

you tell me no NFL player is athletic though, and I'll show you a 250 pound linebacker who can get into a full sprint and paste you into the grass before you can scream for mommy. Once againI cite Brian Urlacher. Jevon Kearse Also. Lawrence Taylor back in the day commanded lots of respect, Reggie White was definitely no slouch, And Derrick Thomas #58 (Died in a vehicle accident, Rest In Peace) was an incredible athlete capable of making quarterbacks wet themselves when he stepped on the field. Not because he could smear them all over the turf like a bad stain, but because he could do it before the QB let go of the ball.

No NFL player's are athletes? Yeah Ok, so those nFL Recievers that can run kicks back over 100 yards for a touchdown while eleven guys try to maul him quicker than you can run to the cupboard for a second bag of chips. those guys aren't athletes?

I'll refrain from going at it position by position but before you go making sweeping generalizations you should get some facts. plus your article cites Korey Stringer, when his death came from heatstroke and was not a result of his being large, rather it was a lack of drinking enough fluids.

Yes the linemen try and get big and fat, but that doesnt mean what they do isn't athletic. That size is their advantage, if it hurts thier health late rin life thats their problem.

Nextthing you'll try and tell people that Sumo Wrestlers aren't athletes either, when their competitions are awfully demanding.
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Compared to the high standard of living that the nation of Japan now enjoys, life in a Sumobeya is feudal. Sumo is not a sport where there is time off; everyday rikishi must compete for prestige and benefits in their own heya. The day begins in the early morning, when the lowest ranked men wake up and put in some practice before going about their assigned duties, which include cleaning the building and preparing the food for the main meal of the day. Everyone who lives in a heya learns to do chores, and some become so skilled or fond of cooking that after their lives in sumo are over, they go on to run ryokan (Japanese-style inns) or restaurants which serve chanko-nabe, the single-pot stew that fuel the rikishi.

Higher ranked sekitori appear at a more reasonable hour, and they begin a practice session that can run four or five hours. The Oyakata or a senior wrestler watches sternly as the youngsters are put through their paces, crashing into one another on the dohyo, slapping an upright pole (teppo) while sliding their feet on the sand, or doing stretching motions that would make a ballet dancer wince. It is not unusual for Yokozuna or rikishi from other stable to come to visit and take part, not only to keep tabs on the competition, but because it is a duty of the Yokozuna to help educate all rikishi.

Only when they are good and hungry can the denizens of the heya sit down to eat, which they do in order of rank. The oyakata sit down first, then the highest ranked rikishi all take their turns, being served by their juniors. Although there is food for all, the privilege of sitting down earlier and eating choice morsels is a powerful incentive for rikishi to climb in rank. It is not unusual for a new supplicant to lose weight before putting on solid, heavy muscle.

After the big afternoon meal, the rikishi lie down for a nap. This is part of the reason they grow so large: the calories go to putting on weight before it can be entirely consumed as fuel by muscles. When they waken there is another less strenuous workout, perhaps stressing technique rather than brute strength and basic footwork. An evening meal, less elaborate than the main meal, is served. Only then can the rikishi have a little freedom, as they go walking around their neighborhoods, perhaps enjoying a movie or drinks at local business establishments. When curfew arrives, the married rikishi go home to their families, usually at an apartment near the heya; single sekitori live in rooms in the heya, and the lower ranked deshi sleep in a communal barracks.

For the men who come from abroad, classes in Japanese language and culture are required; the Oyakata and his wife must take care that promising foreign rikishi aren't driven out of the harsh sumo world by homesickness or depression.
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I've got one for you....

Race car driving.

What other sport requires stamina, quick reflexes, and brains?
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Kelly Antilles wrote:What other sport requires stamina, quick reflexes, and brains?
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Kelly Antilles wrote:What other sport requires stamina, quick reflexes, and brains?
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It depends on what you value in terms of physical fitness. But I'll say "wrestling" as in the greco-roman kind, as it requires strength, stanima, brains, and co-ordination. Said person would do poorly in a marathon, triathlon, cycling, or weight-lifting competition (for examples), but vice-versa those athletes would do poorly in wrestling. It all depends.

... which is a strange answer because I have no desire to wrestle, I'm more of a cycling person. It must be all those ultimate fighting championships I've watched ... :)
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I went with Soccer. Endurance, speed, skill/coordination. I chose it over basketball because basketball has lots of time outs and people can be cycled in or out of play much easier than in Soccer. Plus, soccer seems to be one of those sports where a fluke of genetics doesn't make you a star as easilly as it does in basketball and American Football.

Now if basketball was all played by a bunch of smaller guys like Allen Iverson or Spud Webb then I'd be lean a bit more towards basketball. As it is now you can potentially be a NBA player solely by being tall.
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BAH! NBA isn't basketball. It's a bunch of old men passing the ball from one end of the court to the other. There is no defense, there is no true offense. Why the hell do they have a coach to begin with? All he does is run up and down on the sideline screaming.
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Right now my heart rate is what most of your's are when you sleep. Now that is healthy. And pro runners train in New Mexico or Colorado because the air is thinner. That means that when I/they go down do sea level, I/they can pull more oxygen from the air, not getting as tierd as sea level people.
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With football and baseball you have some very talented athletes but they might not be in the best of shape (i.e. Boomer Wells). Soccer players are required to run back and forth across a large field for 90 minutes (goalies excluded). I don't know! This is a tough decision.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:BAH! NBA isn't basketball. It's a bunch of old men passing the ball from one end of the court to the other. There is no defense, there is no true offense. Why the hell do they have a coach to begin with? All he does is run up and down on the sideline screaming.
We need the Harlem Globetrotters of legend back! Y'know, fancy basketball tricks guys? That's athletic! :D
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Boxing. No other sport takes it out of you like this one. I defy any other athlete to get in a ring and not be huffing and puffing after a minute of sparring.
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I see no-one's mentioned wrestling...

But why not? Most 'show' wrestling not only requires reasonable fitness, if only for the sake of appearance, but also requires the ablity to climb to the top turnbuckle, and pretend to jump on someone without actually injuring yourself or them.

Modern show wrestlers need to be athletic, and need to hav a great deal of control over themselves, in order to do the shit that hollywood stuntmen do with multiple takes and safety mats, and still not break each other.
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