DSII in UFP

[Enola Straight]

Suppose the second Death Star somehow ended up in the United Federation of Planets...unfinished, no imperial personell, but fully functional and intact tech...would Starfleet be able to finish construction, and if so, how long?

[Howedar]

With the technology we've seen, they could not finish it in any reasonable timeframe. Similarly, they probably could not adapt to the usage of Imperial technology in any reasonable length of time.

[Admiral Johnason]

They would probably use it as a command base and try to finish over an extended period. The would take apart some of the Strikes and Ties in order to see hoe the tech works and would do their best to automate the place, but it would take at least 40 years, even with the computers, libaries, and blueprints.

[StarshipTitanic]

There's no reason to finish it completely, really. When IG-88 took over the Death Star he found that it was completely operational if it used it purely as a weapon. It would be a good idea to cover the uncompleted portions with some sort of armor and shield, of course, but even that's not necessary when you consider the tech level of the ST races.

[darthdavid]

on the off chance that they catch you with your pants down it would be a good idea though. I vote that they scrap most of their ships and use every componet thy have to cover the hole. After all the skiprays alone could act as a fleet replacement.

[Darth Fanboy]

There's no reason to finish it completely, really. When IG-88 took over the Death Star he found that it was completely operational if it used it purely as a weapon. It would be a good idea to cover the uncompleted portions with some sort of armor and shield, of course, but even that's not necessary when you consider the tech level of the ST races.

Fuck that IG-88 took over the death star nonsense, I refuse to believe that ever happened

But yes you are correct except for one thing, how would the Feds even figure out how to use the thing? they dont magically understnad to know how to use a superlaser or any of the standard functions.

Lets assume however that a hidden plot device is triggered which allows for this.

The Federation over the course of some fifty-one hundred years gains massive technolgical breakthroughs and eventually gets enough insight for construction.

However they do not even come close to having the resources to do this, so instead they recongifgure their fleets so their power systems aren;t generated from potential bombs.

[Darth Wong]

There's no reason to finish it completely, really. When IG-88 took over the Death Star he found that it was completely operational if it used it purely as a weapon. It would be a good idea to cover the uncompleted portions with some sort of armor and shield, of course, but even that's not necessary when you consider the tech level of the ST races.

Fuck that IG-88 took over the death star nonsense, I refuse to believe that ever happened

That KJA idiocy can be rationalized. The Death Star has lots of manual overrides and other systems, indicating a computer system that's probably based on the philosophy of overrides and tight security. There's probably a lot of code in firmware, software and hardware interlocks, etc. IG-88 may have believed that he could do whatever he wanted, but he never outright defied command instructions except to do insignificant things like keep doors from opening. So he actually had no idea whether the computer system would let one process override all of its instructions and interlocks and every other safety feature in order to seize control. In fact, given the widespread presence of slicers in the SW universe, it seems a certainty that their computer system would have multiple safeguards to prevent an invasive program from gaining too much autonomous control.

In other words, he believed he had unfettered control, but that doesn't mean he actually did.

[StarshipTitanic]

He was able to correct the aim of the superlaser personally and I think that'd be one heck of a secure system.

[Darth Wong]

He was able to correct the aim of the superlaser personally and I think that'd be one heck of a secure system.

But let's say he tried to fire it without authorization or all of the appropriate levers being pulled? Would he have been able to do so? Let's say he tried to activate the engines and seize control of navigation systems? Would he have been able to do so? He believed he could do a great many things but he never tried them. Whatever "correction" he performed on the superlaser aim would have been so insignificant that nobody noticed, and hence would not set off any alarms or cause anyone to override anything.

[Jadeite]

Fuck that IG-88 took over the death star nonsense, I refuse to believe that ever happened

IG-88 took over the DS? How and when?[/quote]

[Darth Fanboy]

I find it easier to believe that IG-88s little side story never happened. Especially given the history of droids and the EMpire why wouldn't Vader have just terminated IG-88, or defeated him and then utilized a restraining bolt afterwards. Its stupid.

Just for good measure though (more on topic)

The Superlaser was complete but what other systems were finished. Life Support probably, power supply, and facilities within the death star related to traffic control with the multitude of shuttles and TIE Fighters. And of course the Shield

What of the hyperdrive though, and what other goodies re inside the DS, like fighters and shuttles?

[TurboPhaser]

I dont think its worth the Feds to try to complete the DS.

It would be better for them to study the tech, strip all worthy bits and pieces, reproduce them and retrofit their current ships and draw up plans for new ships built specifically for that tech.

[Darth Fanboy]

I dont think its worth the Feds to try to complete the DS.

It would be better for them to study the tech, strip all worthy bits and pieces, reproduce them and retrofit their current ships and draw up plans for new ships built specifically for that tech.

The Study of the tech would take a long time, and the feds wouldnt and shouldnt be too hasty to disassemble worthwhile tech when they could establish a lab of some sort on the death Star itself.

[TurboPhaser]

Yeah, I know. I said they should study it, then duplicate/reproduce it.

[Darth Fanboy]

Yeah, I know. I said they should study it, then duplicate/reproduce it.

but you also said to strip it for parts, which I disagree with. the "Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor" is too good of a thing to just use for spare parts.

[TurboPhaser]

Hehe, yes I did say that didnt I.

Allow me to rephrase:

1. Feds should study tech on DS.
2. Feds should attempt to reproduce tech, removing bits and pieces if necessary to do this.

[Darth Fanboy]

Hehe, yes I did say that didnt I.

Allow me to rephrase:

1. Feds should study tech on DS.
2. Feds should attempt to reproduce tech, removing bits and pieces if necessary to do this.

again, simply removing the bits and pieces without any understanding would be foolish, you wouldnt want to damage anything in the process. Reproducing the tech in a laboratory on board the DS would be more efficient.

[Sir Sirius]

Suppose the second Death Star somehow ended up in the United Federation of Planets...unfinished, no imperial personell, but fully functional and intact tech...would Starfleet be able to finish construction, and if so, how long?

They would most likely conclude that a planet busting super-terror weapon is a violation of god only knows how many peace treaties, a threat to galactic peace and that it would be unethical to keep the DS in working order. They would then deactivate and dismantle the DS and start working on reverse engineering the technology. Of course they would work out some form cooperation deal with the Romulans and Klingons and share some of the technology, so that they do not feel threatened by the new weapons technology UFP has gained (could lead to war).

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

would Starfleet be able to finish construction, and if so, how long?

40% of the DSII outmasses EVERYTHING the Federation has built combined.

[Montcalm]

Every major race in the ST universe would fight each other to get it.

[Darth Fanboy]

They would most likely conclude that a planet busting super-terror weapon is a violation of god only knows how many peace treaties, a threat to galactic peace and that it would be unethical to keep the DS in working order. They would then deactivate and dismantle the DS and start working on reverse engineering the technology. Of course they would work out some form cooperation deal with the Romulans and Klingons and share some of the technology, so that they do not feel threatened by the new weapons technology UFP has gained (could lead to war).

THe don't know its a planet busting superweapon to being with, even if they did then the Feds still wouldnt dismantle it because it would take more resources than a small nation like that could muster, combined with the fact that SF's higher ups aren't that inept after the Dominion war and further still, the potential for research is still too great to pass up. No way in hell would they share the new tech without gettng anything in return.

Every major race in the ST universe would fight each other to get it.

Not necessairly, after all it is in the UFP. Its not liek its sitting in the center of the galaxy waiting for someone to just snatch it up.

[Jawawithagun]

The UFP has neither the logistics nor the materials technology nor the industrial capacity. They don't even have enough grunts to secure the structure.

I mean, the Borg and every other hostile regularly visits Earth. How do they plan to secure the perimeters of the DS?

Where do they get the materials? those 1000-colonists mining colonies without any women that harbour mass murderers, get regularly wiped out by accidents and hostiles and never seem to produce ore in industrial amounts?

[Darth Wong]

The Federation would send a science team to study it. It would promptly disappear into the giant black hole which consumes all fantastic discoveries that Federation science teams are sent to study.

[Stravo]

They would simply either store it away in the bowels of a gas giant or try to destroy it with the ratinale that it is a weapon of mass destruction and the technology should not be in the hands of anyone because they're not ready for that responsibility. DENY that it is not a real possibility with the TNG era Trek. I dare ya.

[Eframepilot]

They'd blow it up. Picard or some other goody-goody-two-shoe would argue that they are not ready for such power, absolute corruption etc., and Starfleet would have it destroyed. Or if Starfleet refused, Picard would trash it himself and earn some commendation when the Federation "came to their senses."