P-90

[LT.Hit-Man]

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg22-e.htm

I like these ones the best to bad they could not be chambered for a .50 cal round

[Alyeska]

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[Striderteen]

The P90 looks futuristic to many and that likely a major reason why the SCG uses them, but then they say that about the AUG as well and I'd argue its the definition of an ugly gun.

Couldn't agree more. The AUG is butt-fucking-ugly.

The AUG is a very nice weapon though. Once you fix the barrel melting, magazine warping and the IDIOTS who shoot with their face jammed up to the sight...

Some comments from a friend of mine who was in the Malaysian military (which uses the AUG). Typos not corrected 'cuz I'm a lazy bum.

My main gripe with the AUG is the trigger and safety set up.

The whole thing strike me as very wrong.

To start the ball rolling, the safety is your basic push though mechanism that prevents trigger and bolt motion. All well and fine. It's a system with a push though safety, used successfully on many machineguns such as the FN series as well as the Enfield SA-80(Small Arm for the 80s)/L85A1.

But the problem is is that it copies the full trigger guard design of the FAMAS F2/G2.

Now, with the FAMAS you get away with this because the trigger is spaced sufficiently far away from the pistol grip it allows you to slip your index in behind it to practice the 3rd rule(finger off the trigger till sights are on target), but with an AUG with it's solid trigger, you have no where to rest your finger but on the receiver, which is sloped, so your trigger finger naturally finds itself floating back onto the trigger when it's not supposed to.

Which gives the AUG a high ND(Negligent Discharge) ratio. A theory being proven by the Australians and their ST-88 Austeyrs. Incidentally, I've already heard of at least 8 ND incidents this year alone amongst Malaysian army personnel concerning the Steyr AUGs this year. We recently adopted the AUG as a matter of fact.

The pushbutton safety only aggravates the situation. There is really no eyes-off confidence with it. if the saftey is on, if you were to run your thumb over it to check, you put the safety off.

Worse still you have to shift your grip in order to push the safety back thought the other side. in any case, the whole setup is extremely unsafe. A fact already combat proven in indonesia.

Another issue is the 1.5x Swarovski optic provided with the basic rifle. It SUCKS for close in fighting. Most people will say you don't need to use sights for close ranges, but having trained in CQB, I can tell you theres nothing for confidence like well designed sights to train on your target.

The moulded box format sights on top of the scope were made for pistols and DON'T WORK on the AUG because you need a eye relief of at least 400mm to distinguish them properly. I remember picking up the AUG and saying "What moron designed these sights?".

In my professional opinion, the Swarovski should be redesigned as a picatinny rail attachment and issued with the AUG-T. As well as having a post/aperture sight moulded on top. Or even better, a red dot optic.

Another gripe is the barrel system it sorely needs to discard the vertical foregrip in favor of a barrel shround of some sort. I dislike vertical foregrips and avoid them whenever I can. They tend to shift the weight of the weapon further away from your hands, and make the gun less stable.

The shroud will also prevent soldiers from burning their hands on hot barrels. I've done this several times with the AUG. Also, it ought to shift the AUGs center of gravity forward. The AUG itself being rear heavy.

What pisses me off is that Steyr didn't foresee these things in the first place. Steyr is an extremely innovative company. The problem is they often put innovation above practicality.

Even Wayne Novak himself once commented "Which idiot designed these ****ing sights?" at a SHOT show in referance to the triangular profile sights on the Steyr M9. Which I must agree, lack foresight. When you shoot a pistol, you want the top of the sights to line up horizontally in straight line.

Hard to do when your front sight is a sharp pointed triangle.

Overall:

1. No open sights (The ones on top of the scope are useless.)
2. Safety system is too rudimentary and doesn't offer the confidence of a lever system (Anecdotal evidence suggests the safety often doesn't function reliably.).
3. No place to rest trigger finger when practicing the 3rd rule.
4. Trigger pull too heavy for precision shooting. (Not to mention the two stage trigger is not as useful as Steyr would have you believe.)
5. No handguard/barrel shroud (Vertical forgrips do not offer the stability a horizontal handguard does for precision shooting. I'd gladly trade the modular barrels for a barrel shroud!)
6. Pronged flashhider (I call them 'salad forks' for their ability to pick up vegitation.)

Some others have cited the tendency of the magazines to dissolve under certain cleaning solutions. Don't know about that myself.

[Howedar]

I've always disliked vertical handgrips myself.