The gay lisp...

[haas mark]

I think it's just a stereotype.

Not that there aren't homosexual men who lisp.

BTW - what causes people to have "lispy" voices?? I've heard that a long tongue make it easier to lisp, but maybe that's just an urban legend.

Overbite or tongue piercings can do it.

I've heard that missing a few teeth can as well.

And yes, I'm now going to party like its 1999 (see post count)

Yes, missing teeth'll do it as well (hence why kiddies with no front teeth lisp)

~ver

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

"Lisps" are fairly rare, but I think you're confusing it with a style of speech that is campy/effeminate for men. I know many gays who speak like that. The conclusion I've come to is that it is an acquired speech pattern, and is becoming more rare as homosexuals get more acceptance from society. It probably was originally a "calling card," a way to easily identify yourself as gay so you could attract potential mates in a non-gay setting. It also was probably a self-imposed way of differentiating one's self just to be different, in a minor way of protesting the constraints of the heterosexual norm.

I certainly don't speak that way, and it more often than not is a turn off, though I try to keep an open mind. But seeing huge, muscled and tan Chelsea boys who speak in a queeny voice is surreal to the point of comedy.

ROTFLMAO!! You can say that again.

[kojikun]

i dont see how missing teeth can cause a lisp, since, atleast for me, the s sound is created behind the teeth. actually, i find that using teeth to pronounce an s CREATES a lisp.

[Uraniun235]

I had a friend who didn't normally speak with a lisp, but in an instant he could sound so intensely effeminate that it would boggle the mind... of course, it fit his physique very nicely, so it didn't sound out of place at all.

Funniest thing of all was that he was a very strong believer in God and felt that homosexuality was immoral.

[Darth Wong]

I've met effeminate guys who are homophobes before. You get a real sense of cognitive dissonance while trying to hold a conversation about the subject.

[The Yosemite Bear]

No my cousin the gay (Soccer/Footballer), wrestler & bodybuilder us as gay as Oscar Wilde/Anchient Greeks. ANd he has nothing but a very thick Scottish brogue.

fucking spam mobile stupid stereotyping...

Oh thread has been HOSed...

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I've met effeminate guys who are homophobes before. You get a real sense of cognitive dissonance while trying to hold a conversation about the subject.

Maybe they're trying to overcompensate for what they see as a shortfall. I pity them as well. Don't a lot of women like effeminate guys too?

[kojikun]

Mike, howdja mean you sense cognitive dissonance?

[The Yosemite Bear]

They have a big fucking chip on their sholder, you ever ask the kid in Jr. High who was torchered and tormented because half the school thought he was gay, be cause he was wasp thin, and seemed to have a lack of testosterone?

Hell, one of my friends killed himself because the taunting and homophobia got too much for him. It's like the level of homophobia you will find in child abuse cases. It's a very reactionary thing, or for that matter the androphobia in women who have abusive dads.

we humans are a cruel sort.

[Enforcer Talen]

my jr high was much the same. sometimes, moving every few yrs is a good thing.

[Dalton]

No my cousin the gay (Soccer/Footballer), wrestler & bodybuilder us as gay as Oscar Wilde/Anchient Greeks. ANd he has nothing but a very thick Scottish brogue.

fucking spam mobile stupid stereotyping...

Oh thread has been HOSed...

*blink*

So far this thread has been a harmless discussion on a common preconception about gay culture, with not a flame in sight. What's your rationale for HOSing this thread man?

[Lord Pounder]

Stereotying again.

Many people have lisps. I severely doubt that the majority of men with lips are gay. So Prawnyboy untill you can prove a bullshit statement like:

Yeah, the gay lisp doesn't really exist. We all made it up.

Not every gay man lisps, probably the majority doesn't. But I'd bet money that a MUCH larger % of gays lisp compared to straights

Shut the fuck up or we'll see how many anal rogerings it takes to make you develop a lisp.

[Companion Cube]

Fully half the gay guys I know have a lisp. However, I only know two gay guys, so I can't draw any conclusions from that.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

They have a big fucking chip on their sholder, you ever ask the kid in Jr. High who was torchered and tormented because half the school thought he was gay, be cause he was wasp thin, and seemed to have a lack of testosterone?

Hell, one of my friends killed himself because the taunting and homophobia got too much for him. It's like the level of homophobia you will find in child abuse cases. It's a very reactionary thing, or for that matter the androphobia in women who have abusive dads.

we humans are a cruel sort.

Sounds exactly like me, except I actually *AM* gay. and yes, I have a chip on my shoulder. It's the size of Texas. To tell you the truth, there's a deeply-buried bomb in me that says I would like nothing more than those sons of bitches at the Middle School to burn in Hell, but I know that if I ever let that get the better of me and I go ballistic I'm thoroughly fucked. I don't want that for me. I can do better than that.

And the worst part about it is that the teachers don't do a GODDAMN thing about it whatso-fucking-ever. IMNSHO any teacher who doesn't try to help someone and they then suicide should be tried for negligent homicide, and the fucktards who drive someone to kill themselves should get Murder 1!

See what I mean about the chip on my shoulder? I honestly feel for anyone who goes through that very nearly state-sanctioned torture because I've been down that road. I call it 'state-sanctioned torture' because nowadays if they doesn't condemn something they condone it, no gray area. And the teachers didn't condemn it!!!

[RedImperator]

And the worst part about it is that the teachers don't do a GODDAMN thing about it whatso-fucking-ever. IMNSHO any teacher who doesn't try to help someone and they then suicide should be tried for negligent homicide, and the fucktards who drive someone to kill themselves should get Murder 1!

That's utterly unacceptable behavior from a teacher. I saw it in my own school--the teachers would let the popular kids get away with picking on the unpopular kids the teachers themselves didn't like, right in their own classrooms. How the fuck are you doing your job if one kid is too busy being tormented to learn?

Though in my school, overt homophobia would get the administration down on your head like a ton of bricks. Call someone a faggot in the halls and the admins would have visions of harassment lawsuits dancing in their heads.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

And the worst part about it is that the teachers don't do a GODDAMN thing about it whatso-fucking-ever. IMNSHO any teacher who doesn't try to help someone and they then suicide should be tried for negligent homicide, and the fucktards who drive someone to kill themselves should get Murder 1!

That's utterly unacceptable behavior from a teacher. I saw it in my own school--the teachers would let the popular kids get away with picking on the unpopular kids the teachers themselves didn't like, right in their own classrooms. How the fuck are you doing your job if one kid is too busy being tormented to learn?

Though in my school, overt homophobia would get the administration down on your head like a ton of bricks. Call someone a faggot in the halls and the admins would have visions of harassment lawsuits dancing in their heads.

The fuckers at Belle Chasse Middle (so I don't subscribe to the whole 'names changed to protect the guilty' nonsense! Shoot me!) didn't care at all either way other than the overt shit where they knew they'd get sued. Other than that, the unpopular kiddies were fair fucking game! Is it any wonder why Columbine happened!!? (yes, I'm serious, no I'm not trying to troll )

[Straha]

I certainly don't speak that way, and it more often than not is a turn off, though I try to keep an open mind. But seeing huge, muscled and tan Chelsea boys who speak in a queeny voice is surreal to the point of comedy.

HEY! I JUST REALISED YOU INSULTED ME! Come down here and fight like a man!


Although I will agree there are dozens of people like that in the neighberhood.

[Stormbringer]

There's no reason for this to be in the Hall of Shame. Moved back to SLAM.

[kojikun]

Yosemite: a friend of one of my friends (i know i know) was taunted and called gay and stuff (he wasnt) and at one point raped (homophobes raping guys.. that speaks VOLUMES). he ended up comiting suicide in front of the entire school during an assembly or something like that.

[X]

What is WITH the lisp?
I met like two gay people, period, and don't really "know" any of them.
But nobody I know knows any "lispy" people.

When I hear it on TV it's so freaking annoying.
I think 50% of my personal homophobia stems from that. 30% is from the horrendous fruity clothing (similar on the revulsion scale to fat chicks in tight cloths... ugh), and the remaining 20% is that totally retarded hand wave. You know what I'm talking about.

The thing is, these are all sterotypes. I'm sure (at least I hope) not all gay people run around lisping like a moron, wearing clothes meant for pre-teen girls, and waving their hands around.

How did these start, I wonder.

They have a big fucking chip on their sholder, you ever ask the kid in Jr. High who was torchered and tormented because half the school thought he was gay, be cause he was wasp thin, and seemed to have a lack of testosterone?

Hell, one of my friends killed himself because the taunting and homophobia got too much for him. It's like the level of homophobia you will find in child abuse cases. It's a very reactionary thing, or for that matter the androphobia in women who have abusive dads.

we humans are a cruel sort.

Hmm.
In school I was messed with once; never again.
I found out that kids have an aversion to being on fire, imagine that?

I don't think they thought I was gay; just an easy target.
Oh well... not that I cared, but that group was a lot more careful messing with any other people for the rest of that year.

[Superman]

Maybe gay people ask why us straights don't have the lisp. Seriously, I think it's just a silly stereotype that maybe some gays do play into. I don't really think there's anything to it.

[Peregrin Toker]

30% is from the horrendous fruity clothing (similar on the revulsion scale to fat chicks in tight cloths... ugh), and the remaining 20% is that totally retarded hand wave.

What exactly do you mean by "fruity" clothing?? Do you mean clothes which have fruit-like colours, or simply clothes which look bizarre?

[Darth Servo]

What exactly do you mean by "fruity" clothing?? Do you mean clothes which have fruit-like colours, or simply clothes which look bizarre?

Golfers perhaps?

[DPDarkPrimus]

David Sedaris.

If he isn't proof of a gay lisp, I dunno what is.

[SAMAS]

I've met effeminate guys who are homophobes before. You get a real sense of cognitive dissonance while trying to hold a conversation about the subject.

Maybe they're trying to overcompensate for what they see as a shortfall. I pity them as well. Don't a lot of women like effeminate guys too?

That would explain CLAMP...