"Are you born stupid, or do you have to practice?"

[Lord of the Farce]

A debate at the Yahoo Group starwarsvsstartrek2 extending over into IMs which I couldn't resist the temptation of sharing here. In case it isn't obvious from the exchange, I'm darth_fey

kightcat: biiching at me for having life
darth_fey: I wasn't the one who said that I'll post "proof" for some delusional rant by friday
kightcat: im cuting it down so lam brid like you can read it
darth_fey: translation: "I'm trying to make up shit which doesn't look like shit I made up"
kightcat: no im trying to cut down in to bit size pices
kightcat: you cant do dame math for it any way
kightcat: over ajust your numbers right
darth_fey: translation: "I'm the twit that thinks 20,000 joules is bigger than 14,000 megatons, but I'll pretend that your phtographed proof doesn't exist"
kightcat: no you cant do base math for it
kightcat: yes it dos seen you ignor it or make fight out of it
kightcat: for aussy u are a ass hole
darth_fey: dumbass, go to http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/energy and punch in 14000000000 in the "ton of TNT" box, and take a good look at how many joules that converts to
kightcat: i chack it math progrms flowed
kightcat: im enginreer masters it my job to be right
darth_fey: 58,580,000,000,000,000,000 is hell of a lot bigger than 20,000
darth_fey: if you are have enginreer masters, then I can only laugh at the education system which you study under
kightcat: you put dasmale one place off you get alot
darth_fey: uh-huh, and where did this decimal place come from? hmmm?
kightcat: thay miss i programd a kray and did it
kightcat: it sad it off
kightcat: thay computer can read new york phone book in 3 sacints
kightcat: it sead it off by 4 dasmals
kightcat: if u are not in out back go find one run numbers
darth_fey: you do realise that conversion between joules and tons of TNT is linear, right?
kightcat: we have never figerd laser powers in tnt
kightcat: it in apage and feet
kightcat: so fare particol emters stongast
darth_fey: idiot, both joules and tons of TNT are merely ways of expressing energy
kightcat: no can not coss tham
kightcat: dont masher that way
darth_fey: 1 tons of TNT == 4,184,000,000 joules of energy, it is as simple as that
kightcat: boy you blow up a leb
darth_fey: Mr. "enginreer masters" shows his ignorance once again
kightcat: no quntom math show lot mith in your stoff
kightcat: were u get numbers
kightcat: give me link dont pull it out off but
darth_fey: it's called "conversions between different units of energy" you fucking moron
kightcat: there is no covershon for light engay moron
darth_fey: again: "dumbass, go to http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/energy and punch in 1 in the "ton of TNT" box, and take a good look at how many joules that converts to"
kightcat: the atomc engay comsson have one
darth_fey: YOU. IDIOT. if you don't even know how to convert between different units of energy, how the hell do you think you can pretend to be an "enginreer masters"!? LOL
kightcat: there off we naver tryed with laser out puts so it a mith un till we have tast to do it meens be lighting gun
kightcat: i e partical emter
kightcat: big elaction gun
kightcat: there are no light covashons
darth_fey: are you born stupid, or do you have to practice? 1 tons of TNT of energy == 4,184,000,000 joules of energy, the key word being E.N.E.R.G.Y.
kightcat: u put what sun can do i will at that power
kightcat: im going to sleep
kightcat: you will find out hard way
darth_fey: keep telling yourself that, Mr "enginreer masters"

[Gandalf]

Nice, if a little unreadable, damn ICQ speak.

Way to stick it to him though.

[Lord of the Farce]

I cracked up laughing reading this:

kightcat: u put what sun can do i will at that power

What is it with people who can't do even simple math and their "more energy than the sun" crap?

[SPOOFE]

u can da thars werd ant i posb cvincs for thu julle wim the ennerjie uv ass hull u kwiet im enjennirinc master and im right

[SPOOFE]

I should point out that, whenever I read his remarks, I heard them as if they were spoken by Arnie from What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

[The Yosemite Bear]

All I knows is that gives me a fucking headache....

[Lord of the Farce]

Heh. What's more amusing than reading his excuse of "trying to move to uk to go work at british aarow space and finding place over there" to avoid posting evidence by a deadline set by himself is his really stupid appeals to authority...

What do I mean? A while back, in a debate about the ISD domes, he mentioned that the domes are shield generators, and he would know since his sister works for Lucasarts. More recently, when pointed out that Lucasarts is just the gaming division of Lucasfilm, he changed it first to Lucasfilm, then ILM, then production at Paramount.


Oh, almost forgot to mention that when I brought up the 7x10^22 watts shields for the Acclamator-class and what this translates to in tons of TNT, he claimed that it was bullshit I pulled out of thin air, and went on about having this "signed off by ILM" and "signed off by Lucasfilm"... And it's still a matter of even after I provided this link: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pj1351/ICS/

[Shroom Man 777]

When I read the lines of that other guy, I get the impression that his voice was IR Baboon's.

[Captain Cyran]

I had to stop reading, not so much for the stupidity, but I just was tired of putting all that effort into understanding what the HELL that guy was saying.

[Anarchist Bunny]

God damn, I can, at best, barely understand what he's staying 3/4 of the time.

[Sothis]

What's important to remember is that Kightcat has dyslexia, which is why he has problems typing accurately. However, whilst that is excusable, his arguments are not.

[seanrobertson]

I cracked up laughing reading this:

kightcat: u put what sun can do i will at that power

What is it with people who can't do even simple math and their "more energy than the sun" crap?

????

Is that the retarded version of Yoda-Speak?

"You put what sun can do I will at that power."

I understand Yoda. I do not understand "kightcat."

I also call bullshit on his claim to a master's degree. I've never met ANYONE in grad school who spelled quite that badly, ICQ chatting or no.

[Joe Momma]

What's important to remember is that Kightcat has dyslexia,

Just a nitpick, you misspelled "dementia."

-- Joe Momma

[Spanky The Dolphin]

LOL!

Anyway, as someone with ADHD and very mild dyslexia, I can tell you that you shouldn't use a mental disorder as a shield from criticism. Dyslexic or not, he is still totally incoherent.

[Master of Ossus]

I would have hammered him for his inability to spell more than you did. There's no way that someone with an engineering masters couldn't type properly, and there's similarly no way that they would not understand the basic concepts you were pointing out. That he would masquerade himself as such is pathetic and insulting to the education system.

[Sr.mal]

If he has a Masters in Engineering, not only am I the Queen of England, but also Mickey Mouse.

[Lord of the Farce]

I would have hammered him for his inability to spell more than you did.

Nah, he'll just use that as an excuse to run away and cry foul like a little (kight)pussy.

There's no way that someone with an engineering masters couldn't type properly, and there's similarly no way that they would not understand the basic concepts you were pointing out. That he would masquerade himself as such is pathetic and insulting to the education system.

You know that, I know that, but this is the guy that's "trying to move to uk to go work at british aarow space and finding place over there".

[Lord of the Farce]

kightcat: michigan staet
kightcat: toledo unvsaty

Anyone want to look up the name "Michael Brown" using the above info? I'm trying to look for it myself but my modem's hit the monthly download limit.

[Lord of the Farce]

Warning: The goggles do nothing.

kightcat: fay u like piss in person off
darth_fey: Understand your Yoda speak, I do not
darth_fey: Make sense, your idiot rambling, does not
kightcat: stop the shit talk u might not get mad reposes posting topice page 1-55 next week
kightcat: u do that out of spit are u just suped
darth_fey: why don't you post one, just >ONE< paragraph of unmodified evidence to back any of your ramblings?
kightcat: thay are just the good parahagrfs
kightcat: posting 156 pages take to long so im posting his highlights
darth_fey: By the way, since you're the supposed "enginreer masters" (sic), please provide your name, the name of the university where you studied, and what year you graduated
darth_fey: ONE paragraph from your source, just ONE, right now
darth_fey: or are you too afraid that people can see through your bullshit if you don't have enough time to change things around?
kightcat: he get long winded
darth_fey: ONE paragraph from your source, just ONE, right now
darth_fey: no excuses
kightcat: u t
darth_fey: the longer you try to delay, the more it looks like you are just trying to buy time to modify the evidence in your favour
kightcat: lower stoff at u of m
darth_fey: Understand your Yoda speak, I do not
darth_fey: Make sense, your idiot rambling, does not
kightcat: moveing to yorksher england for post gread and co op
darth_fey: "u t" and "lower stoff at u of m" makes no sense
darth_fey: use full words
darth_fey: or is that too difficult?
kightcat: fact that thay say enterprise ingnors lasers in tng been ignord by u how long
darth_fey: good god, can't you even understand as something as simple as context?
kightcat: fact a pable at light speeb can desroy ship
darth_fey: HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF???
darth_fey: By the way, since you're the supposed "enginreer masters" (sic), please provide your name, the name of the university where you studied, and what year you graduated
kightcat: tng cannon epasod look it up enterprise ingnors lasers
kightcat: what tie going to do shot spet wods at her
darth_fey: and who says that Star Wars "Lasers" are normal lasers? For an enginreer masters, your ability of observation and logical thinking is rather... LACKING
kightcat: it way we say collage name in staets
darth_fey: uh-huh: the longer you try to delay, the more it looks like you are just trying to buy time to modify the evidence in your favour... assuming that you have any evidence at all
darth_fey: by the way...
kightcat: mityeping on cell right now
kightcat: give sac
darth_fey: [TNG Season 2, Ep# 32: "Loud as a Whisper"]
WORF: I'm reading laser activity in the Solari Solar System!
RIKER: How concentrated is the activity?
WORF: It is localized -- and very intense.
RIKER: So much for the cease-fire.
PICARD: Open hailing frequencies.
WORF: I can establish voice only.
PICARD: This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard, commander of the Federation starship USS Enterprise. If you continue to violate the rules by breaking the cease-fire, I will abort this mission.
FIRST LEADER: You have no jurisdiction here, Picard. Where is Riva?
PICARD: Riva is in charge of the summit. I command the ship that brings him. I will not endanger my ship under any circumstances.
darth_fey: what's this? Picard thinks that lasers being thrown around endangers his ship?
kightcat: michigan staet
kightcat: toledo unvsaty
kightcat: Add no spal chack on phone
kightcat: carrey highs graed
kightcat: masster tend to be defent
kightcat: u call enstin suped he was add
darth_fey: Understand your Yoda speak, I do not
kightcat: jakeing it in power dos not matter light is light
darth_fey: right... and that's why you don't know how to convert between one unit of energy with another
kightcat: power u say go thow it is capabel of blowing falcon in one shot
darth_fey: why? the Falcon uses the same kind of technology you idiot
kightcat: it a small craft
kightcat: thay pop falcon like balon
kightcat: name of show im smart ass have the dvds
kightcat: calling u
darth_fey: want to look up? sure, go to TNG Season 2, Ep# 32: "Loud as a Whisper"
darth_fey: by the way, since you are obviously too slow to put it together, I'll set it out for you step by step
darth_fey: Facts:
1: SW weapons can vaporise asteroids like butter
2: SW capital ships can have shields of 610^22)
3: Falcon can take a hit from said weapons
kightcat: looking than wiching
darth_fey: http://www.utoledo.edu/search.asp?kwd=michael+brown
darth_fey: Search Results for 'michael brown': 0 document matched
Sorry, no document matched your search criteria.
kightcat: it may be out of contex meen mant 4 somethang elass
kightcat: you blow the barol puting number u lissed be 4
kightcat: it cristl right
darth_fey: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pj1351/ ... ICS_06.jpg
kightcat: what happin if u put so much thow you crack it
darth_fey: peak shielding 7x10^22 watts (ie. 7e22 watts)
kightcat: that way us is useing partcal lasers
kightcat: take off l put p
kightcat: pharer
kightcat: phaser
kightcat: thay may also be partcal laser reserch
darth_fey: who what using what etc. is irrelevant, the Galactic Empire of Star Wars can (as made canon by Lucasfilm) easily use more than 7e22 watts per ship is indisputable
kightcat: big protion emiters
kightcat: there about ten of me in and been off thas summer
kightcat: im needle in hay stak
kightcat: thar 22 m brown going to ut
kightcat:
darth_fey: which is why I'm planning to email the University of Toledo asking if they have any Engineering Graduate who doesn't know how to convert between the energy units of "tons of TNT" and "joules"
kightcat: so go head and look im crased have name like simth
kightcat: and did u look in ohio or span
kightcat: not if shiled were harmic
darth_fey: why should I bother? because until you provide proof of your claim, any of your claims, it's only fair to assume that you are not being honest
kightcat: you can focus blast of make it go some were elass
kightcat: space vibrats at low leve
darth_fey: Understand your Yoda speak, I do not
Make sense, your idiot rambling, does not
kightcat: you need premish from studint
kightcat: that what thay will say
kightcat: hand retion
kightcat: us bi law
darth_fey: you seem to ramble on a lot, but are you even trying to make sense?
kightcat: you push stuf to far some trek side just rather lafe at u
kightcat: i push back win pushed
darth_fey: eh... right... did you remember to take your medicine this morning, sir?
kightcat: trust me u don some binkis
darth_fey: you're making less and less sense as you are rambling on (and I hadn't thought that was possible)
kightcat: now took deep brath u lay off on dam insolts
darth_fey: insults? oh, you mean I should stop stating obvious facts, I see
kightcat: do u now any partical phyics
kightcat: how atom react
kightcat: so i dont have to dume it down
darth_fey: I know that 1 tons of TNT produces roughly 4,184,000,000 joules of energy... obviously beyond your ability to comprehend
kightcat: thaing like stuped
kightcat: insolt im hafe alsleep on other side of planit
darth_fey: stupid? yeah, I agree that someone who claims to be an "enginreer masters" and doesn't understand how "4,184,000,000 joules of energy is equivilent to 1 tons of TNT" is pretty damned stupid
kightcat: whats it bren raet that how lasers are masherd
kightcat: how much it can go thow
darth_fey: if you don't understand the concept of units of energy, then butt out of the discussions between those who do understand
kightcat: that elactions like partical laser ie phaser
darth_fey: Simple question: Is "1,000 joules of energy per second" the same thing as "1,000 watts"? True or False.
kightcat: mex cristl laser can may be put foot hole in sheet steel
darth_fey: come on, <True> or <False>, hurry up Mr "enginreer masters"
kightcat: were monting partcal lasers on 747
kightcat: meens get some one figer Abl
darth_fey: I'll give you five minutes to answer this question as *True* or *False*: ***1,000 joules of energy per second the same thing as 1,000 watts***
darth_fey: come on, what's the hold up?
kightcat: like how many feet gegation some thanin thay thow in make it look good
darth_fey: that's not a TRUE or FALSE answer
darth_fey: time's a wastin'
darth_fey: the clock's tickin'
darth_fey: TIME'S UP!!!
darth_fey: should I assume that your answer is YES?
darth_fey: oops, I mean: TRUE
kightcat: particl lasers yes thay work in joles if need light lasers are big flash lights have power are reted by outer meens
darth_fey: ANSWER THE QUESTION
kightcat: other wise cash sacaner bren your face
darth_fey: is 1,000 joules of energy per second the same thing as 1,000 watts
kightcat: bren rat and refactshon
darth_fey: all you have to do is ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
kightcat: no joles are 1000 watts
kightcat: and hafe sleep pissed off guy moveing to uk in two months thanks u need lassin in taked
kightcat: on day going to go feed 19 year old assey to charly the crok
darth_fey: well whatever you think of me, I've got to thank you
kightcat: 19 boy yes and late your ball sacks drop frist
darth_fey: I mean, we could throw insults at each other till the cows come home, but there's no need for me to when you shoot yourself in the foot like this
darth_fey: have a nice evening/night/morning... ROTFLMFAO!!!
kightcat: that u guys were nice thar i met nicer brits
kightcat: one day hop your crock lunch
kightcat: be tha eassin of qontom maths big mouth get eatin by crock like black hole swolwing it salf
darth_fey: heh, and you claim that you don't have the time provide a single paragraph of your "evidence"

[Lord of the Farce]

If the above hasn't made you run away screaming your head off:

kightcat: not on computer im on palm cell
kightcat: i dont post on your wim
darth_fey: you mean you still need time to concoct some harebrained technobabble which doesn't look like harebrained technobabble which you made up because you can't accept the simple fact that ST is technologically inferior to Star Wars
kightcat: i post on my time i dont live in china to post win thay say
darth_fey: I first asked for any proof at all some FOUR DAYS AGO
kightcat: there about eqol
kightcat: if u trely look
darth_fey: right...
darth_fey: I mean, is that invisible writing of "Gullible" floating above my head so obvious *rolls eyes*
kightcat: the up 4 what called remason in fed so thay be lave depanding win
kightcat: the wells class comrhtion date was in that time
darth_fey: yup, I'm really so gullible that I'll believe an "enginreer masters" who doesn't know that 1 watt = 1 joule/second
kightcat: u try to force it win it be so much engineering spech u hardy under stand it
darth_fey: hey, if I hardly understand that, then your understanding of it is obviously in the negative range
kightcat: it thesus
kightcat: of his
kightcat: you now how many words thay are
darth_fey: if anything needs to be dumbed-down for someone to understand, it's the book of "Alphabets and Animals" for you
kightcat: it not short there are some part that engineer oley under stand
kightcat: post hole thang be nuts
darth_fey: I understand how to convert between different units of energy, you don't, so I'd say that I have quite a bit of an advantage over you
kightcat: do u now what ADD is
kightcat: ever thow u my have been ignord
kightcat: atention dafasit disorder we use to call it desxea
kightcat: my tyeping suck minds sharp
darth_fey: your mind? sharp? LOL!
darth_fey: tell me another one
kightcat: and u were being a ass
darth_fey: I can be an ass... but unlike you, I back it up with substance
kightcat: i ignrod u
darth_fey: Oooo... kight-PUSSY runs away
kightcat: meen it was not relavt
kightcat: got voice chat try live debate opin form on subjact
kightcat: in roow full that all can here
kightcat: try me
kightcat: got mic name time
darth_fey: why should I bother? I mean, trying to debate *science* fiction with someone who can't tell the difference between 20,000 joules and 14,000 megatons is kinda useless
kightcat: be fun see if u insolt win not tyeping
kightcat: cop out
darth_fey: it might be an insult, but it's an insult based on your words
kightcat: you get stage frigt
darth_fey: I doubt that it's a cop out to not want to bother with someone's who idea of debate is basically "LA-LA-LA!!! I can't hear YOU!!!"
kightcat: or u may lose
darth_fey: ROTFLMAO!!!
kightcat: faer is mind killer
darth_fey: matey, how does a screaming match make the difference between winning and losing a debate when anyone can read the facts? hmmm?
kightcat: im not on right toy at momint
darth_fey: and that explains your continued ignorance about units of energy?
kightcat: no debats focus subjacts
kightcat: u keep u thas way or i will make time and see how cowerd
darth_fey: you still haven't explained the whopper where 7e22 watts became 7e6 watts

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

kightcat: michigan staet
kightcat: toledo unvsaty

Anyone want to look up the name "Michael Brown" using the above info? I'm trying to look for it myself but my modem's hit the monthly download limit.

U of Toledo is in Ohio

I checked the Michigan State University in case and found 5 "Michael Brown"s, 3 of them majored subjects far from engineering, 1 was in his freshman year, another one's major wasn't mentioned, but he lived in NY, so didn't fit.

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

According to the eDirectory there are at least 7 people with the name in U of T. With his bad spelling/grammar/English I think he's not any of them.

[Sothis]

LOL!

Anyway, as someone with ADHD and very mild dyslexia, I can tell you that you shouldn't use a mental disorder as a shield from criticism. Dyslexic or not, he is still totally incoherent.

Not trying to say he should use dyslexia as a shield for his poor arguments, but as someone who has a mild form of dyspraxia (a similar condition) and having known people who've suffered quite badly from dyslexia, I wouldn't mock someone for bad spelling like some have. It's not like he chose to have dyslexia.

His arguments are incoherant from the scientific and logical sense though. Of that there is no question.

[Companion Cube]

It looks like he has a Wall of Ignorance relay, with backup walls powering up when the main one goes down... BTW, what's a 'Pable'?

[Duckie]

It's almost as if millions of years of evolution are working backwards on this specimen...

But what do I know, I'm just a newb.