How would the Empire have done against the Vong?

[Crown]

Perhaps. There's only two books left in the arc and the authors appear to have made no attempt to start winding things down.

*shudder*

Man, just thinking about how much money I have wasted on the NJO pisses me off, no more I say! Fuck them, I refuse to spend my money on shit!

[Darth Fanboy]

Perhaps. There's only two books left in the arc and the authors appear to have made no attempt to start winding things down.

Indeed, the tide only just turned to the New Republic/Galactic Alliance with two books left plus a book set in the aftermath by Timothy Zahn it would seem that the end of NJO will suck as much as the beginning, Which is sad because Star By Star, Destinys Way, and the first book of the Force Heretic Trilogy were pretty good.

EDIT:

Nad If I may say, the Emperor would NEVER have allowed fucking Coruscant to be destroyed.

That travesty alone makes me hate NJO more than anything. (Even though Star by Star was a good book, they could have fucking done it without Coruscant being taken.)

[Ender]

Can someone please explain where the 1000 capship figure comes from?

Or more to the point, when did it say in the NJO that the YV Galaxy was destroyed, 'cause that's kinda interesting. Did they say how/why?

NJO Sourcebook. After they conquered the galaxy, there were a series of people claiming to be the "true" Supreme Overlord. Thus they went through a series of civil wars over the millenia (those must have made the clone wars and GCV look like moting to wipe out enough planets). The final war was ended when the Yo'Gand's core tactic was used to destroy the enemy homeworld.

In the aftermath they didn't have enough left to sustain their society. Rather then become largely extinct, they constructed "worldships" and moved the popluation inside them, and took off to travel to a new galaxy. Finding one afer thousands of years (right as their ships began dieing), they claimed it was mandated by their gods to invade and did so.

[Ender]

Its pretty retarded. In the NJO Sourcebook they claim that in the last great war, the Vong destroyed all the inhabitable planets with a tactic known as "Yo'Gand's Core."

No, thats how the final plaet was taken out. HTe rest probably went down to conventional BDZ operations or extreme bio/chem warfare like we've seen them use in the GFFA

[Solauren]

With 20 years of building and re-researching alot of the tech that bounced up in the EU, the Vong would have been slaughtered in less then a year, and that's if the Emperor decided to play with them and try to capture some of the Vong's tech to play with.

A few examples
Tie Defenders: NJO X-Wings are the same speed as a A-Wing around RoTJ.
(120 klicks according to the video games.)
Tie Defenders, at the time of RoTJ flew at 155, and made A-Wings maneverability look pathetic.

Missile Boats: Multi-Configuration Warhead launchers (mix and match), and SLAM drives. The 'confuse the dovin basals with fake torpedeo trick' the used in one novel would have been unnessacary with Missile Boats. They have enough missiles to have a group fly at a Vong ship and just empty out there warhead capacity, and watch the Vong ship not be able to hold up.

World Devastators:
Suddenly, economics down matter. Just drop a few dozen on a world with orders to make more World Devastators, and you'll have thousands within a year (based on some calculations I did. I don't have good numbers on World Devastator construction rates, but it appears to be 2 weeks to build a 'baby', 8 weeks for a 'baby' to grow to full size and start making more.)

Even without that kind of growth, they could just toss out Tie constantly (Tie Defenders, Tie Advanced/Avengers, etc)

Tie Phantoms
The Empire had been trying to recreate ancient cloaking technology for some time, and finally did (Tie Phantom cloaks were not double-blind) in the events in Rebel Asault 2. Imagine a few thousand cloaked Tie fighters and Star Destroyers riping into the Vong fleet.

Omega Frost (Comics)
If it could freeze starships, I can imagine what it would do to Vong ground forcesz....

Darktroopers
'nuff said :wicked:

And my personal favourite:
The dozens of biological weapons the Empire had (Crimson Forever, Kytos, one that turns the victim into blobs, etc)

The Vong would have learned that you don't piss Palaptine off

[Ender]

Perhaps. There's only two books left in the arc and the authors appear to have made no attempt to start winding things down.

Indeed, the tide only just turned to the New Republic/Galactic Alliance with two books left plus a book set in the aftermath by Timothy Zahn it would seem that the end of NJO will suck as much as the beginning, Which is sad because Star By Star, Destinys Way, and the first book of the Force Heretic Trilogy were pretty good.

EDIT:

Nad If I may say, the Emperor would NEVER have allowed fucking Coruscant to be destroyed.

That travesty alone makes me hate NJO more than anything. (Even though Star by Star was a good book, they could have fucking done it without Coruscant being taken.)

If by some means Coruscant had fallen, Palpatine would have come back and BDZed the fucker rather then let the Vong have it.

[Crown]

<Homer Simpson druel>Mmmmm, World Devostators against the Vong, mmmmm.</Homer Simpson druel>

[Illuminatus Primus]

I always was reluctant to call the V38 with cloak a "TIE Phantom." It really doesn't resemble the TIE line except for the radiator panels. The cockpit is more like a CEC freighter, it has a pressurized cockpit and a pilot and a gunner. It also has three engines.

[consequences]

Or they could just have the fleet they used to strip the oceans off of a world ram into the YV until there are no Vong left.

[FTeik]

Its pretty retarded. In the NJO Sourcebook they claim that in the last great war, the Vong destroyed all the inhabitable planets with a tactic known as "Yo'Gand's Core."

The same moon crashing trick used on Sernpidal.

Apparently they fought until every inhabitable place was fucked up by mooncrashes or something.

Sounds pretty dumb to me, but whatever.

Especially since VectorPrime says, that they invented defenses against "Yo´Gand´s Core" long ago. So we have again a sourcebook, that is in clear contrast to the events taking place.

[Crown]

For my money, the NJO was a flawed concepet from day 1.

[Peregrin Toker]

Seeing how much easier it would be to defeat the Vong if the Empire wasn't defeated - this raises the question: If the Rebels knew this by the time the Alliance was formed - would they have given up if they knew that the Empire's existence actually would benefit the galaxy??

[PainRack]

Isn't our speculation based on the theory that the YV won't adapt their tactics? What if they do and say, incite a period of warlordism in the Empire? The Empire can and will stamp them out, but this gives the YV time to establish themselves in the Empire.

What say communications and resource lines between Core and Rim worlds were cut off? Or that terrorist attacks by aliens versus humans took up the entire attention of the Imperial command?

[YT300000]

I always was reluctant to call the V38 with cloak a "TIE Phantom." It really doesn't resemble the TIE line except for the radiator panels. The cockpit is more like a CEC freighter, it has a pressurized cockpit and a pilot and a gunner. It also has three engines.

Well, the normal V-38 is a Tie Sentinel, and has a ball cockpit. Concerning the Phantom:

The cockpit configuration is unusual; it looks more like part of a Corellian freighter than a spherical Sienar design. This may have been used only on prototypes; production models, had they ever been built, probably would followed SFS conventions.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Well, the normal V-38 is a Tie Sentinel, and has a ball cockpit. Concerning the Phantom:

Prove it and don't appeal to Curtis. I've read the Tech. Commentaries in their entirity.

[Master of Ossus]

IP, to be fair, the TIE Defender is also called a "TIE" model even though it has three ion engines (Tri Ion Engine?), although you are correct in its very unusual cockpit configuration and abilities. Particularly since the Scimitar class bomber is officially not a TIE model.

[YT300000]

Well, the normal V-38 is a Tie Sentinel, and has a ball cockpit. Concerning the Phantom:

Prove it and don't appeal to Curtis.

Impossible to prove. All we have is a line from a cutscene in a video game, and a Hasbro toy. However, the most likely explanation is that the V-38 and Sentinel are one, and the Phantom is and experimental prototype with a cloak. We know the Phantom is a modified V-38. The only assumption is that the Sentinel is the V-38, which is a very probable and logical one, taking into account the structural similarities between the Sentinel and Phantom.

I've read the Tech. Commentaries in their entirity.

So have I. Twice.

[Connor MacLeod]

IP, to be fair, the TIE Defender is also called a "TIE" model even though it has three ion engines (Tri Ion Engine?), although you are correct in its very unusual cockpit configuration and abilities. Particularly since the Scimitar class bomber is officially not a TIE model.

There were also some TIE scout craft I believe that bore onyl a casual resemblence to the traditional "tie" line. And lets not forget the Sith Infiltrator.

Interestingly enough, the "V-38/TIE Phantom" model I believe was similar in design to the "Ugly" used by Leonia Tavira's Pirate groups in "I, Jedi." It was called a "clutch."

[Solauren]

I think it's safe to say 'TIE' has gone beyond meaning TWIN ION ENGINE to a certain style and pattern of Imperial fighters.

i.e Tie Defenders, Tie Phantom/Sentienal, Tie Crawler, etc

[Durandal]

For my money, the NJO was a flawed concepet from day 1.

Any concept which relies on ships made of organic tissue standing a chance against gigaton-level weaponry is a horrendously flawed concept.

[Connor MacLeod]

For my money, the NJO was a flawed concepet from day 1.

Any concept which relies on ships made of organic tissue standing a chance against gigaton-level weaponry is a horrendously flawed concept.

You mean like the B5 First Ones?

[Crown]

For my money, the NJO was a flawed concepet from day 1.

Any concept which relies on ships made of organic tissue standing a chance against gigaton-level weaponry is a horrendously flawed concept.

You mean like the B5 First Ones?

No I could accept that, suspension of dis-belief after all, but the sheer ineptitude of the NR government had me throwing these books against the wall. By the battle of Ithor, the NR should have either gone on the full war footing, or been abolished for failing its first tennet as a government; failing to insure the security of its members.

Instead we got; scapegoating the Jedi (who have no large fleets that are needed to take the fight to the enemy), and trying to make peace. Not even Chamberline, who Winston Churchill described as a sheep in sheep's clothing, could have fucked up that big.

And even if the NR did exactly what it did, why weren't the member states pulling out faster than a premature ejectulator on a $2 whore who isn't wearing a condom and mobilising their own fleets for their own home system defense/offence like in the Thrawn Duology?

It was fucked up.

[Lonestar]

Yeah...it does seem pretty stupid. Although it is worth noting without those, of, "vortex (or whatever the hell they're called)" shielding, the Vong ships would 'splode if you throw a rock at them.

[Master of Ossus]

I don't actually have much of a problem with the dramatic considerations that went into the NJO. It was reasonable to create a race (species?) that was immune to the Force, since the alternative is to create yet another group of Dark Siders that no one cares about anymore. While the use of organic technology obviously could have been better, I would have been able to forgive it if the writing had been consistently strong. I'm not saying that every book was worthless--I particularly enjoyed SbS--but you get a whole bunch of crap thrown in just for the hell of it. Case in point--Dark Journey.

Right now, I'm working on a book set between TPM and AotC. I don't think it's better than the average NJO books. I think it's so much better than most of the NJO as to make comparison worthless. But of course, it won't be published since I've never written a sci-fi/fantasy novel before and Lucasbooks has one of the most stringent policies regarding publications that I've ever heard of. I wish that they would be willing to read through various submissions from people who bothered to do their homework and took the time to write real books, instead of going out of their way to get already tired authors to crank out formulaic ones in exchange for a paycheck.

[His Divine Shadow]

Any concept which relies on ships made of organic tissue standing a chance against gigaton-level weaponry is a horrendously flawed concept.

Well it doesn't actually do that, if a shot gets past their defences it's usually very bad, one ISD2 can vaporize two 1.2km Mataloks in an instant also, as the Errant Venture did when it opened fire, so I don't have a problem there, the bigger problem is this gravity crap they pull.