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Who could do as good or better than Eisenhower at Normandy?

James T. Kirk
2
4%
Jonathan Archer
0
No votes
Jean-Luc Picard
1
2%
Captain Benjamin Sisko
2
4%
Admiral Ackbar
2
4%
General Carlist Rieekan
4
9%
General Jan Dodonna
4
9%
General Maximilian Veers
29
62%
Grand Moff Tarkin
1
2%
Admiral Piett
2
4%
 
Total votes: 47

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Hmm......

The only person who didn't get a vote is Archer, I wonder what that says for the show Enterprise. :lol:

This poll is turning out quite well. And it looks like Veers has an overwhelming win on this one.
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While I have to go with Veers for being the best ground commander here, track records say Kirk should be able to win as well. He's toppled one Nazi party already :lol:
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IIRC, Montgomery was the guy who actually did the overall planning for the invasion even if Eisenhower was the head honcho, but I digress.

I find it unlikely that they'll plan it out as well, they're from a different era.
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Not to my knowledge...
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Howedar wrote:Not to my knowledge...
Monty may have a part in planning the British portion of their operation but Ike had the final say. Winston Churchhill also had alo of input into the planes as well.
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Rikeen seems to the most logical. He knows how to use air support for his ground troops and he seems to be able to be a good troop commander. he would be good in the frist two weeks, but Veers would have to be in charge of the breakout.
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Well,
it is now sure, that Maximilian Veers won the race. He got well over 50% of the votes, that can be called victory.
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Tribun wrote:Well,
it is now sure, that Maximilian Veers won the race. He got well over 50% of the votes, that can be called victory.
But he doesn't deserve it, he's a battle commander, not a strategic general.
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Admiral Johnason wrote:Rikeen seems to the most logical. He knows how to use air support for his ground troops and he seems to be able to be a good troop commander. he would be good in the frist two weeks, but Veers would have to be in charge of the breakout.
Eisenhower was a strategist and was in the UK, you're talking about the sort of tactics knowledge needed in much lower level commanders.
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Isolder74 wrote:
Howedar wrote:Not to my knowledge...
Monty may have a part in planning the British portion of their operation but Ike had the final say. Winston Churchhill also had alo of input into the planes as well.
*shudders* Dear god. What if Winston convinces Veers to go with the Portugese option?

Ooh. Then we get to use the bomb. Nevermind. Objection dropped.
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Rieeken. He did EXTREMELY well at Hoth considering how badly outgunned the rebels were.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: *shudders* Dear god. What if Winston convinces Veers to go with the Portugese option?

Ooh. Then we get to use the bomb. Nevermind. Objection dropped.
Hrm, couldn't this affect the demarcation line between the West and the USSR, though?
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: *shudders* Dear god. What if Winston convinces Veers to go with the Portugese option?

Ooh. Then we get to use the bomb. Nevermind. Objection dropped.
Hrm, couldn't this affect the demarcation line between the West and the USSR, though?
Perhaps. But it would defintally force Spain to join the Axis side. Spain's Nuetrality was criticle to the success of the campain in Europe.
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Perhaps. But it would defintally force Spain to join the Axis side. Spain's Nuetrality was criticle to the success of the campain in Europe.
Not by 1944.
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Isolder74 wrote:
Perhaps. But it would defintally force Spain to join the Axis side. Spain's Nuetrality was criticle to the success of the campain in Europe.
Not by 1944.
And you are telling me that fighting two fronts as you attempt to liberate France is a good idea? The Allies could not afford to fight Spain. They had alot of resources but not enough to fight the Spanish. The Campain to eliminate the Italians was also very importaint to the success of Normandy as it reduced the number of fronts the Germans had available to them and it cut them off from the Mediteranien.
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Isolder74 wrote:
And you are telling me that fighting two fronts as you attempt to liberate France is a good idea? The Allies could not afford to fight Spain. They had alot of resources but not enough to fight the Spanish. The Campain to eliminate the Italians was also very importaint to the success of Normandy as it reduced the number of fronts the Germans had available to them and it cut them off from the Mediteranien.
The Allies could easily crush the Spanish. The country was in ruins, its military had awful equipment and it was heavily dependent on imports of food from outside of Europe. The allied blockade would destroy the nation quite quickly.

The invasion of Italy did not aid the allies, in fact it was a huge waste of resources and a sideshow that delayed Normandy. The entire Mediterranean was a sideshow, nothing beyond the invasion of Sicily was remotly worthwhile and even that was unnecessary.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
And you are telling me that fighting two fronts as you attempt to liberate France is a good idea? The Allies could not afford to fight Spain. They had alot of resources but not enough to fight the Spanish. The Campain to eliminate the Italians was also very importaint to the success of Normandy as it reduced the number of fronts the Germans had available to them and it cut them off from the Mediteranien.
The Allies could easily crush the Spanish. The country was in ruins, its military had awful equipment and it was heavily dependent on imports of food from outside of Europe. The allied blockade would destroy the nation quite quickly.

The invasion of Italy did not aid the allies, in fact it was a huge waste of resources and a sideshow that delayed Normandy. The entire Mediterranean was a sideshow, nothing beyond the invasion of Sicily was remotly worthwhile and even that was unnecessary.
This is very true. It was the British that insisted the Italian campian to ensure the safety of the Suez Canal. The Aliies knew Franco would not support Hitler so attacking them was not worth the trouble anyway. Besides they intact were good at leaking false information to the Nazis as well.
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