Star Trek vs. Star Fox 64

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2002-07-09 03:29pm

Have any of you ever wondered about who would win if you pitted our dogfighting masters from Star Fox 64 against the relatively massive Enterprise-D? Well, here's your chance to attempt to figure that out.

Rules
No one-shot tricks by the Enterprise, or the Great Fox

Trek Resources
The Enterprise-D

Star Fox Resources
The Great Fox
4 Arwing Heavy Fighters

FIGHT!

General G · Post by **General G** » 2002-07-10 11:10am

Considering all the blinking lights on the Enterprise are clearly targets for star fox trek is doomed.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-10 11:43am

Man I remember blowing out a circuit by playing Star Fox

Had a hell of a lot of kills too. Couple of smart bombs and homing shots should do the E-D in.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-10 12:38pm

smart bombs do a few kilotons of damage at best, even for Star Trek that's pathetic. The Great Fox would be a bit of a challenge but considering it has no sheilds and using the smart bomb as a base to guage the rest of their weapon tech, the Fox is screwed. A photon torpedo set to proximity detonate would wipe out the Star Fox squadron easy.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-10 01:01pm

Unless they can boost out of there.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2002-07-10 01:05pm

A single Arwing has better shields than the Enterprise D (just look at the amount of time the Star Fox team can hang around near the surface of a relatively hot star vs. the amount of time the Enterprise D expected to survive in the Dyson Sphere).

Now, since Arwings can kill other Arwings, (as seen when they take on that Wolf guy in Star Fox 64), they obviously have the firepower to take out the Enterprise.

smart bombs do a few kilotons of damage at best, even for Star Trek that's pathetic.

Where did you get that idea?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-10 01:10pm

Simple Visuals

The buildings in they very first level of the game are rouglhy 50 stories tall(Count the windows, people don't make windows every 50 stories they make them every one) then shoot a bomb at the base of the building? Eh what only goes up 40 floors or so? Has to be a low end weapon

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-10 04:53pm

That being said, Arwing's have tremendous shield abilities. They literally skim the surface of a star(Or, if you're me, you bump into the star many times) for extended periods of time, fly through exploding ships, and demonstrate extreme maneuverability. When rolling, they reflect all enemy fire. They have good tracking shots.

Granted, the Bombs won't be too useful, but enough laser fire and the E-E is going down. The Great Fox should keep out of the party, though.

o.O Great Fox asteroid vap calc's.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-10 05:55pm

Without life boosting rings you can last for a few minutes at the most. They can't be that good, and Starfleet now operates shields capable of allowing a ship to survive INSIDE for extended periods of time.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-10 06:27pm

I dare you to provide proof that the Enterprise would survive contact with solid, superheated chunks of star, like Arwings do in that level. Yes, they survive such impacts. How do I know? I keep bumping into the plasma waves.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-10 06:27pm

SCVN 2812 wrote:Without life boosting rings you can last for a few minutes at the most. They can't be that good, and Starfleet now operates shields capable of allowing a ship to survive INSIDE for extended periods of time.

They can not! Even with medaphasic shields, the E-D couldn't stay near a star for a while. "Decent pt. II"

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2002-07-11 09:30am

just so everybody knows, great foxes big guns are at least as powerful as a light turbolaser on an ISD. it was shooting down stony-iron asteroids in the Asteroid Belt level.

master_yoda · Post by **master_yoda** » 2002-07-12 01:17am

starfox loses

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-12 05:17pm

Realy Why oh MY? What proof have yeah?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 06:38pm

SirNitram wrote:That being said, Arwing's have tremendous shield abilities. They literally skim the surface of a star(Or, if you're me, you bump into the star many times) for extended periods of time, fly through exploding ships, and demonstrate extreme maneuverability. When rolling, they reflect all enemy fire. They have good tracking shots.

Granted, the Bombs won't be too useful, but enough laser fire and the E-E is going down. The Great Fox should keep out of the party, though.

o.O Great Fox asteroid vap calc's.

I disagree. Those lasers barely do any damage to rock or other surface. The Arwings have tremendous shielding ability against the emissions of a star. However, those weak lasers can still take them down..and those lasers don't come anywhere near what a phaser can do or the output of a photon torpedo detonated near them.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-12 06:59pm

Those lasers which 'Barely do any damage to rock' vaporized most of the asteroids they were firing at, Sith.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 07:02pm

SirNitram wrote:Those lasers which 'Barely do any damage to rock' vaporized most of the asteroids they were firing at, Sith.

Still they didn't do any damage to the ground? How do we explain this?

They can vaporize asteroids, but they can't even scorch the ground of a planet?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-12 07:12pm

The mantra of Sci-Fi debators everywhere.

Low Power Settings.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-12 07:17pm

OR
The Star Fox people are Eco-Nuts
1. The Grass is shieled

2.Anti-Organics is tecnobabled in
3. Thats not acutal the ground but rather a vast tecnobable *Green Field

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-12 07:20pm

Mr Bean wrote:OR
The Star Fox people are Eco-Nuts
1. The Grass is shieled
2.Anti-Organics is tecnobabled in
3. Thats not acutal the ground but rather a vast tecnobable *Green Field

*Tactically nukes Mr. Bean*

Goddamn eco-hippies...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-12 07:23pm

Laughs secure in his new HQ

Worth every penny I say

I'm gonna have to make my own verison of that pic one of these days

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 07:32pm

SirNitram wrote:The mantra of Sci-Fi debators everywhere.

Low Power Settings.

Low power settings? On your enemies home planet? I would buy that if it were only witnessed on their home planet.

Besides these same low powered shots destroyed enemy ships, and vise versa could have destroyed an Arwing...

Unless you want to claim that they can change the yield of their energy weapons mid-flight.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-12 07:53pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The mantra of Sci-Fi debators everywhere.

Low Power Settings.
Low power settings? On your enemies home planet? I would buy that if it were only witnessed on their home planet.

Besides these same low powered shots destroyed enemy ships, and vise versa could have destroyed an Arwing...

Unless you want to claim that they can change the yield of their energy weapons mid-flight.

I'm assuming the atmospheric craft they went up against were less powerful than their space-borne adversaries.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 07:59pm

SirNitram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The mantra of Sci-Fi debators everywhere.

Low Power Settings.
Low power settings? On your enemies home planet? I would buy that if it were only witnessed on their home planet.

Besides these same low powered shots destroyed enemy ships, and vise versa could have destroyed an Arwing...

Unless you want to claim that they can change the yield of their energy weapons mid-flight.
I'm assuming the atmospheric craft they went up against were less powerful than their space-borne adversaries.

IIRC those same craft were also fought against in space.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-12 08:05pm

Gonna need to replay and look carefully, then. I shall return! ...Maybe.