Slavic Skinheads

[Peregrin Toker]

According to several sources - ranging from "hatewatch" groups to David Duke - the Neo-Nazi movement is growing very quickly in Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations.... however, to me, this seems quite a mystery.

Since Hitler considered Slavs to be just as "inferior" as Jews - and in some cases, Poles were treated even worse than Jews - why would any self-respecting Eastern European follow the same twisted ideology which probably brought one of his relatives to an untimely death at the hands of German artillery 60 years ago??

The equivalent of a slavic Neo-Nazi would be a black member of the KKK.

Could it be that they're so blinded by their fanaticism that it doesn't matter whether they follow an ideology which considers them subhuman, or have some Eastern Europeans just become Nazis as a result of sheer self-loathing and suicidal anger?

Am I even thinking too much about this problem??

[Crown]

Yes you are over thinking it. The basic premise of any racist movement is easily adaptable to even the targets of the anymosity. All it requires is a basic thought of 'we are better, we deserve more, this is our land' etc and the rest takes care of itself.

Also you have to realise where these people are, just over a decade ago any kind of foreigner was relatively un-known behind the iron curtain.

Since its collapse, Eastern Europe has been used as the forward front of 'Fortress Europe' to stop illegal immigrants into the EU. Those caught trying to get across are dumped there, and forgotten. Not an ideal situation.

This of course shouldn't be seen as an excuse for such rabid behaivour, just a clarification.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Also, there were several units made up of Cossacks or volunteers from among captured Soviets--IIRC they were led by a former White Russian general--who fought against the USSR for Nazi Germany during WWII, so the phenomenom is not without historical precedent. Also, don't forget the Eastern European puppet regimes of Nazi Germany, like the "Legion of the Archangel Michael in Rumania," etc, though I suppose whom you consider to be a Slav is up for debate.

[Peregrin Toker]

The basic premise of any racist movement is easily adaptable to even the targets of the anymosity. All it requires is a basic thought of 'we are better, we deserve more, this is our land' etc and the rest takes care of itself.

You've got that right - the growing Neo-Nazism in Eastern Europe is yet another proof that political extremism is a sign of stupidity - any agendas usually emanate from a feeling of "We are better than everyone else!!"

Also, don't forget the Eastern European puppet regimes of Nazi Germany, like the "Legion of the Archangel Michael in Rumania," etc, though I suppose whom you consider to be a Slav is up for debate.

I thought most of those puppet regimes were managed by Germans??

[Tosho]

This is just a nit pick/pet peeve of mine it is NOT Rumania it's ROmania!

[Crayz9000]

This is just a nit pick/pet peeve of mine it is NOT Rumania it's ROmania!

Ok, fine then. Transylvania it is.

[fgalkin]

According to several sources - ranging from "hatewatch" groups to David Duke - the Neo-Nazi movement is growing very quickly in Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations.... however, to me, this seems quite a mystery.

Since Hitler considered Slavs to be just as "inferior" as Jews - and in some cases, Poles were treated even worse than Jews - why would any self-respecting Eastern European follow the same twisted ideology which probably brought one of his relatives to an untimely death at the hands of German artillery 60 years ago??

The equivalent of a slavic Neo-Nazi would be a black member of the KKK.

Could it be that they're so blinded by their fanaticism that it doesn't matter whether they follow an ideology which considers them subhuman, or have some Eastern Europeans just become Nazis as a result of sheer self-loathing and suicidal anger?

Am I even thinking too much about this problem??

No, the Russian skinheads, and I've had some encounters with them, they're REALLY scary, belive that the Slavs are the superior race, yabba yabba.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Montcalm]

When will they finaly remove all these retards from the gene pool.

[Peregrin Toker]

No, the Russian skinheads, and I've had some encounters with them, they're REALLY scary, belive that the Slavs are the superior race, yabba yabba.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

But of course, these people have probably never heard of the way the Third Reich treated the Poles. It's little wonder there often is a direct connection between political extremism and flat-out stupidity.

[EmperorSolo51]

The basic premise of any
I thought most of those puppet regimes were managed by Germans??

No, Aside from Polish General Government, The RiechsProtektorate of Bohemia and Morovia, and the Low Countries, Most German puppet regimes were led bvy the natives of the country that was puppeted. Vichy France was run by Petain, Norway was run by Vidkun Quisling, The Italian Social Republic of 1943-1944 was run by Mussolini. In occupied Greece, It was run by General Tsolakoglou. Ante Pavelitch Ran the independent State of Croatia which was a German/Italian Vassal. In German occupied Serbia, It was run by a Yugoslav General by the name of General Neditch. German Allies like Bulgaria, Finland, Romania, had thier own governments but were loyal allies of Germany until the Soviets invaded in 1944.

[EmperorSolo51]

Also, there were several units made up of Cossacks or volunteers from among captured Soviets--IIRC they were led by a former White Russian general--who fought against the USSR for Nazi Germany during WWII, so the phenomenom is not without historical precedent. Also, don't forget the Eastern European puppet regimes of Nazi Germany, like the "Legion of the Archangel Michael in Rumania," etc, though I suppose whom you consider to be a Slav is up for debate.

The General was Anton Vlasov. He was one of Generals who helped Zhukov in the defense of Moscow in the Winter of 1941. After being captured by the Germans in 1942 he switched sides. It wasn't untill 1944 that Himmler allowed Vlasov to Create the Russina Liberation Army. The Russian Liberation Army (made up of Captured Russian soldiers) was one of the few German divisions to put up a fight during the Battle of Berlin. He was captured by the Russians during the battle of Berlin and was tortured to death somewhere in the USSR.

[Raptor 597]

I do believe he was hung after the Commissars had their fun with them. This all goes for same fate as the 2 ROA divisions who some split up and hid in the cuntry to survive the US returning them. Because they were legally Soviets. And the ROA made it out of Berlin but Patton had too turn them back.

[fgalkin]

htt p://www.nationalism.org /skinhead/ultimatum/index.htm

Behold the stupidity. Russian only, unfortunately (you wouldn't expect an anti-western, pro-Russian rock group to have an english version of their webside, would you?)

Anyways, online translators are your friends. have fun.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[The Duchess of Zeon]

This is just a nit pick/pet peeve of mine it is NOT Rumania it's ROmania!

I'm sorry, but Rumania is actually the more literal translation. "Romania" is like the idiotic use of Greek spellings for Byzantine names in the Latin alphabet--the Byzantines themselves would have used Latin spellings in a Latin alphabet.

[LordShaithis]

When will they finaly remove all these retards from the gene pool.

*Irony meter explodes*

[Peregrin Toker]

htt p://www.nationalism.org /skinhead/ultimatum/index.htm

Behold the stupidity. Russian only, unfortunately (you wouldn't expect an anti-western, pro-Russian rock group to have an english version of their webside, would you?)

Funny that a russian Nazi Metal band happens to be called Ultimatum - that is ironically also the name of a thrash band from USA who hold the dubious honour of being the only metal band which ever promoted Creationism.

As a side note, I have noted that most of the Nazi Metal bands I've heard of are from Eastern Europe. I'm starting to believe that the rise of Neo-Nazism in the former Eastern Bloc is a symptom of their inferior education.

[Peregrin Toker]

Follow-up: I actually took the time to download some of the music on that site. It sounded quite amateurish - even by punk/thrash standards... and combined with the band's screwed-up political views, that's quite scary.

(writes down on paper: "Nothing worth listening to...")

[Pablo Sanchez]

I'm sorry, but Rumania is actually the more literal translation. "Romania" is like the idiotic use of Greek spellings for Byzantine names in the Latin alphabet--the Byzantines themselves would have used Latin spellings in a Latin alphabet.

But they didn't use the Latin alphabet. When they called themselves "Romans" they said "Romaoi," when they addressed their greatest general they said "Belisarios." Using a phonetic translation for Greek isn't any stupider than doing it for Russian.

[Crayz9000]

But they didn't use the Latin alphabet. When they called themselves "Romans" they said "Romaoi," when they addressed their greatest general they said "Belisarios." Using a phonetic translation for Greek isn't any stupider than doing it for Russian.

It morphed over time. At the beginning, when Constantine moved the capital of the Empire, they used the straight Latin alphabet and called themselves Romans. By the 13th century, things had changed into a strange amalgamation of Latin and Greek...

[Pablo Sanchez]

It morphed over time. At the beginning, when Constantine moved the capital of the Empire, they used the straight Latin alphabet and called themselves Romans. By the 13th century, things had changed into a strange amalgamation of Latin and Greek...

True, but even at the beginning, they spoke Greek and their Latin had a very Greek twang.