SW Force Subs

[Stravo]

ANH:

30 Rebel Starfighters replaced by 30 Defiant class starships. Luke is in command of one of the Definats (For sake of argument the photon torpedoe fits in the exhaust port and a single Defiant can fit in the trench with the same manuevrability allowed an X-Wing.)


ESB:

Vader finds himself in the following situations:

A) As his task force approaches Hoth Q plays a joke and his ships are replaced by a Federation task force the size of the one from Sacrifice of Angels (To make up for sheer firepower difference and not make it too easy for the rebels to actullay WIN this fight) They have the same mission, fight to take the headquarters, are only allowed Federation ground fighting equipment BUT have General Veers.

B) Same set up but it is a Klingon Task force. They have Veers.

C) 20 or so Borg Cubes. They have Veers.


ROTJ

The Imperial Fleet tasked with holding the rebels is replaced by a massive Federation fleet, say the size of the one that retook Cardasia. They DO NOT have Piett and are alternately commanded by:

Kirk

Picard

Sisko

Janeway


Assume the Fed Commanders have been briefed on Rebel Capabilities.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

ANH:

30 Rebel Starfighters replaced by 30 Defiant class starships. Luke is in command of one of the Definats (For sake of argument the photon torpedoe fits in the exhaust port and a single Defiant can fit in the trench with the same manuevrability allowed an X-Wing.)

Lacking the maneuverability of an X-Wing, they are all quickly destroyed by turbolasers. Regardless, a photon torpedo cannot turn enough to destroy the Death Star.

ESB:

Vader finds himself in the following situations:

A) As his task force approaches Hoth Q plays a joke and his ships are replaced by a Federation task force the size of the one from Sacrifice of Angels (To make up for sheer firepower difference and not make it too easy for the rebels to actullay WIN this fight) They have the same mission, fight to take the headquarters, are only allowed Federation ground fighting equipment BUT have General Veers.

B) Same set up but it is a Klingon Task force. They have Veers.

C) 20 or so Borg Cubes. They have Veers.

Any ground attack in these 3 will fail. They will have to land outside the shield perimeter, walk kilometers to the base, while under air attack, artillery bombardment, and then machine guns. They probably won't survive to cause a single casualty (certainly not the borg).

The Rebels can probably wait it out as they disable the orbiting ships.

ROTJ

The Imperial Fleet tasked with holding the rebels is replaced by a massive Federation fleet, say the size of the one that retook Cardasia. They DO NOT have Piett and are alternately commanded by:

Kirk

Picard

Sisko

Janeway


Assume the Fed Commanders have been briefed on Rebel Capabilities.

The large Calamarian warships will be able to destroy them.

[Darth Servo]

ESB:....They have the same mission, fight to take the headquarters, are only allowed Federation ground fighting equipment BUT have General Veers.

So at best they have a bunch of dune buggies with rear facing guns and at worst they're walking to the shield generator against a bunch of snow speeders?

[Stravo]

ESB:....They have the same mission, fight to take the headquarters, are only allowed Federation ground fighting equipment BUT have General Veers.

So at best they have a bunch of dune buggies with rear facing guns and at worst they're walking to the shield generator against a bunch of snow speeders?

Making my point really quickly aren't you?

[Darth Fanboy]

here's a few force subs

TPM)

Replace Naboo Fighters with Defiants

AOTC)

Replace Tusken Raiders with Klingons

EPIII:

Replace Separatist Fleet with the Fleet from Sacrifce of Angels to face the VSD's *croses fingers*

ANH)

Replace the ISD chasing Tantive IV with the Scimitar with built in plot device to eliminate escaping to Hyperspace as an option. (conflict must take place in sublight)

ESB)

Replace pursuing TIE fighters (going after the falcon) with the Uss VOyanger OR USS defiant in the Asteroid Belt.

ROTJ *kind of*)

Jabba's Palace w/Mercenaies vs. Comparable sized Federation/Klingon ground force OR Jem Hadar OR Remans

[Darth Servo]

ESB)

Replace pursuing TIE fighters (going after the falcon) with the Uss VOyanger OR USS defiant in the Asteroid Belt.

They're still under orders to capture the Falcon without killing anyone inside, right?

[Sea Skimmer]

here's a few force subs

TPM)

Replace Naboo Fighters with Defiants

The Defiant would be far better secured on the ground and its unlikely the 1000 or so people needed as even a tiny scratch crews for them could infiltrate the capital successfully. But assuming they did somehow get the ships up into orbit they'd fail. Sustained fire from kiloton range fighter lasers and likely six-megaton range guns on the control ship will rapidly destroy them while their weapons don't stand a chance against the Teraton range shields.

AOTC)

Replace Tusken Raiders with Klingons

The Klingon's would be wiped out by the posse of farmers well before Anakin arrives.

EPIII:

Replace Separatist Fleet with the Fleet from Sacrifce of Angels to face the VSD's *croses fingers*

Knife through soft butter comes to mind

ANH)

Replace the ISD chasing Tantive IV with the Scimitar with built in plot device to eliminate escaping to Hyperspace as an option. (conflict must take place in sublight)

Tantive sprays fire with its guns, if LTL's then multipul hits will be needed. However if there MTL's its going to be a one or two shot kill. In any case the Scimitar's slow strafing attacks wont be dropping the ships shields.

ESB)

Replace pursuing TIE fighters (going after the falcon) with the Uss VOyanger OR USS defiant in the Asteroid Belt.

They'd be rapidly outrun as there forced to slow and destroy the asteroids in their path, they'd likely end up being destroyed if they went in too far. Though if the Falcon has a high-end missile aboard she can simply destroy her pursuer.

ROTJ *kind of*)

Jabba's Palace w/Mercenaies vs. Comparable sized Federation/Klingon ground force OR Jem Hadar OR Remans

An even more one sided slaughter favors our heroes.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

ANH:
<snip>

The Defiants are dead. They're just too big, and as it was the Rebels were barely dodging the Death Star's turbolasers. TIEs wouldn't even be neccesary.

ESB:
<snip>

I imagine in every scenario Veers would end up cold and dying somewhere in a crater of melting snow uttering...

"[Zorg]I'm screwed[/Zorg]"

ROTJ
<snip>

The Imps fleet gets owned. There's no way even that many ships can hold up to dozens of Alliance battlewagons and frigates, not to mention warhead carrying fighters.

[Darth Fanboy]

Quote:

AOTC)

Replace Tusken Raiders with Klingons

The Klingon's would be wiped out by the posse of farmers well before Anakin arrives.

Hhahahahha, which is true except I was thinking to make the switch until after the Tuskens had captured Shmi and Anakin infiltrated the camp.

[Darth Fanboy]

ESB)

Replace pursuing TIE fighters (going after the falcon) with the Uss VOyanger OR USS defiant in the Asteroid Belt.

They're still under orders to capture the Falcon without killing anyone inside, right?

If it makes a difference then yes.

[Howedar]

In fairness to the Defiants, by all rights the Naboo fighters in TMP were totally screwed as well. Only a stupidly lucky Anakin allowed the Nubian forces to win.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Dammit I was hoping for the SW version of "Das Boot"

[Lord Pounder]

TPM:

I personally think this one would be a stalemate. Anakin won't be able to get in to the TF Doughnut in a defiant. However i think defiants are menuverable enough to avoid the quad lasers the Doughnuts backed. Remember unlike an ISD the TF battleship is a bulked up transport. I don't think the lasers are even MTL's

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

The Defiant would be far better secured on the ground and its unlikely the 1000 or so people needed as even a tiny scratch crews for them could infiltrate the capital successfully. But assuming they did somehow get the ships up into orbit they'd fail. Sustained fire from kiloton range fighter lasers and likely six-megaton range guns on the control ship will rapidly destroy them while their weapons don't stand a chance against the Teraton range shields.

Minor point of contention: Are you saying the Defiant requires a crew of 1000? That can't really be what you mean, right? Estimates of the Defiant's size do vary pretty widely, but the crew compliment is usually listed as 40.

[Sea Skimmer]

Minor point of contention: Are you saying the Defiant requires a crew of 1000? That can't really be what you mean, right? Estimates of the Defiant's size do vary pretty widely, but the crew compliment is usually listed as 40.

I meant to say Defiant's and I'd think such a minor error would be obvious since the force sub specified multiple vessels.

Replace Naboo Fighters with Defiants

Crewing 30 or so Defiant's would take over a thousand people

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Minor point of contention: Are you saying the Defiant requires a crew of 1000? That can't really be what you mean, right? Estimates of the Defiant's size do vary pretty widely, but the crew compliment is usually listed as 40.

I meant to say Defiant's and I'd think such a minor error would be obvious since the force sub specified multiple vessels.

Replace Naboo Fighters with Defiants

Crewing 30 or so Defiant's would take over a thousand people

With a crew roster of 40 per, about 700 for 30 of 'em. The way it was written, it looked like you meant 1000 per ship. My bad.

[Sea Skimmer]

With a crew roster of 40 per, about 700 for 30 of 'em. The way it was written, it looked like you meant 1000 per ship. My bad.

40x30=1200 not 700. 700 would be a crew of 23-24 for each one. They might be able to run with that few, but you need lots of damage control guys to shut off all the random pressurized gas leaks.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

With a crew roster of 40 per, about 700 for 30 of 'em. The way it was written, it looked like you meant 1000 per ship. My bad.

40x30=1200 not 700. 700 would be a crew of 23-24 for each one. They might be able to run with that few, but you need lots of damage control guys to shut off all the random pressurized gas leaks.

Meh, I was never good at math. RE: The leaks... yeah, forgot about those. But I guess a ship that pops a valve is better than one that pops a core.