How long will Canada be around? (secessionist movements)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-17 01:02am

Durran Korr wrote:Quebec? Hell, they already hate you guys enough, god knows they hate us even more.

So I presume that this means you would carpet bomb them before annexing them into the union?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-17 01:05am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Quebec? Hell, they already hate you guys enough, god knows they hate us even more.
So I presume that this means you would carpet bomb them before annexing them into the union?

No, silly. Carpet bombing is an outdated form of warfare.

Carpet nuking, of course.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-08-17 01:08am

Darth Wong wrote:So I presume that this means you would carpet bomb them before annexing them into the union?

If we had to...

But honestly, I don't think we would, if they're gonna be that negative about Canada, imagine how negative they'd be about us.

If we let 'em in the Union and they tried to secceede (sp) later, we probably wouldn't fight a war to keep 'em in...unless that war involved wiping out most of the population.

Of course, not that I'm advocating the slaughter of millions or anything...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-08-17 01:20am

We'll pass legislation that'll outlaw Quebec forever.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-08-17 01:54am

We'll strip Quebec of it's silly self-important cultural protection laws, and it's Frenchness will be washed away in no time.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-08-17 02:26am

I'm pretty sure every state in the Union has to have english as their official language, so they won't get to keep their "bilingual laws".

I say keep the provinces the same except for the maritimes which become one state.

Oh, and if a Canadian province DID seceede, it is very likely that they would be granted immediate US territory or commonwealth status if they wanted it. Texas went from Republic to State with no interim.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-08-17 02:27am

Oh, anyone know where I can see the US flag designs for up to 100 states?

If we took every Mexican State, Canadian province, and admitted Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, and Cuba into the US, we would have exactly 100 states.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-17 02:28am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm pretty sure every state in the Union has to have english as their official language, so they won't get to keep their "bilingual laws".

I say keep the provinces the same except for the maritimes which become one state.

Oh, and if a Canadian province DID seceede, it is very likely that they would be granted immediate US territory or commonwealth status if they wanted it. Texas went from Republic to State with no interim.

The US probably wanted Texas. I don't know if they could say the same for the Maritime provinces (read: welfare state) or Quebec, although they might be interested in the provinces west of Quebec (Shrubby would be particularly interested in Alberta, since its economy is similar to that of Texas).

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-17 12:59pm

My opinion on seperation from Canada reads like this

You leave with what you CAME in with. Plus your share of the national dept, calculated not by your population, but by how much of it went towards you

i.e if Quebec left, 85% (I don't have exact numbers) of it would stay in Canada, because that land belongs to the Federal government (and was given to them by it's previous owner, the crown of england)

Also, if you leave, all the perks of being part of Canada, go, including pension, welfare, free health care, etc. This also includes the Federally owned international bridges, etc.

Quebec would basically be the provincal government and the Quebec Police, owe billions of dollars all over the world.

Also, don't you think lots of companies would move out of Quebec PDQ?

As Garfield would say: Big Fat Hairy Deal.

Quebec is welcome to leave. Enjoy being 5 cities the size of Toronto with a massive crime problem

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-17 01:37pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Carpet nuking, of course.

WARNING! That is a copyrighted GAT materiel. Use of the phrase requires a deposit of 100 billion dollars ($)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-17 01:51pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
WARNING! That is a copyrighted GAT materiel. Use of the phrase requires a deposit of 100 billion dollars ($)

Your concept is outdated as well; Universal Area Nuclear Strike Tactic's are the future.

The US probably wanted Texas

With both Texas and Hawaii there was a preexisting interest in the territory. There are part of Canada, especially in the west, which the US would want. But as for Quebec, well the USN already found a new firing range for the Atlantic fleet.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-08-17 03:10pm

I believe that if a canadian province seceeded, the Federal government of Canada would have to give to its people all of their accumulated welfare, pensions, and tax returns.

I do agree with Quebec losing some land, though the federally owned bridge stuff sounds like they would be "nationalized" by the new government.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-17 04:24pm

Solauren wrote:My opinion on seperation from Canada reads like this

You leave with what you CAME in with. Plus your share of the national dept, calculated not by your population, but by how much of it went towards you

i.e if Quebec left, 85% (I don't have exact numbers) of it would stay in Canada, because that land belongs to the Federal government (and was given to them by it's previous owner, the crown of england)

Also, if you leave, all the perks of being part of Canada, go, including pension, welfare, free health care, etc. This also includes the Federally owned international bridges, etc.

I disagree. If Quebec seceeded, the government of Quebec would nationalize all land in Quebec including bridges and Canadian military bases. This has been done many times in the course of history. When the southern States seceeded from the US during the Civil War, they began to nationalize federal land and used State militias to force Federal authorities from Federally owned roads, Military forts, Weapons depots, Post Offices, etc. The province of Quebec could in deed do that very same thing.

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2003-08-17 04:26pm

And then, after the war, they would be part of Canada again and this time we will treat them properly to keep it from happening again

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-17 07:58pm

Quebec's never going to succeed. Hell, all we have to do is demand a surrender.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-17 10:06pm

I'm not an expect on the US civil war, so quite frankly, I ignore it.

However, with the Quebec land in question, it's still considered Federal Crown Land belonging to the Canadian Federal Government. Heck, Labrador is still crown land.

That's why I don't think they should keep it. Hell, if Quebec were to be allowed to leave, if they were let take that, I'd personally do what I could to get it back.

The other thing to point out, alot of that crown land is also 'native american' territory still, and most of them would say 'fine, Quebec left Canada, we left Quebec and rejoined Canada', and things would get violent from there.

Most 'indians' do not like the Quebec government.

I just don't like the people that get elected to the Federal level to help run the country then want to rip out a piece of it.

Personally, I think the seperatists should be arrested for sedition and tossed in a nice dark hole with Paul Bernado.

However, that's not going to happen.

IFCC however, one of them very nearly crossed the line of treason during the last referendum. I think the head of the federal "PQ" party sent a letter to all service men from quebec in the armed forces urging them to leave the Canadian military and serve quebec if they one the referendum (or words to that effect).

POWER GRAB

I think that sums it all up nicely.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-17 10:18pm

Solauren wrote: snip

IFCC however, one of them very nearly crossed the line of treason during the last referendum. I think the head of the federal "PQ" party sent a letter to all service men from quebec in the armed forces urging them to leave the Canadian military and serve quebec if they one the referendum (or words to that effect).

POWER GRAB

I think that sums it all up nicely.

That's very interesting thank you.

The PQ also may be doing what the southern states did as well. When South Carolina seceeded in 1861, they urged many South Carolinan military officers to quit the US Army and join the SC state army. Many did. When the States of North Carolina, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Virginia followed suit they to urged thier citizens to quit the US army and join thier state's militia. Nearky every southernor heard the call of thier home states and quit the US Military and joined the Army of the Confederate States of America. However, none of the people who urged this were ever tried for treason.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-08-17 11:27pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:But as for Quebec, well the USN already found a new firing range for the Atlantic fleet.

WHat about the USAF? They might want some more room, away from a desert.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-08-18 12:21am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm pretty sure every state in the Union has to have english as their official language, so they won't get to keep their "bilingual laws".

I say keep the provinces the same except for the maritimes which become one state.

Oh, and if a Canadian province DID seceede, it is very likely that they would be granted immediate US territory or commonwealth status if they wanted it. Texas went from Republic to State with no interim.

Believe it or not, there is no law telling any state to mandate English. The only laws dealing with this arethe equal access laws.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-08-18 06:02am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm pretty sure every state in the Union has to have english as their official language, so they won't get to keep their "bilingual laws".

I say keep the provinces the same except for the maritimes which become one state.

Oh, and if a Canadian province DID seceede, it is very likely that they would be granted immediate US territory or commonwealth status if they wanted it. Texas went from Republic to State with no interim.

several States had bills trying to make English official on the ballot in 2000 and 2002 IIRc and I dont think many of them passed.

Secession is talked up more than it is backed up I think, The big scary San Fernando Valley ecision that would have split up LA into two or three cities failed miserably, and that included the areas that would have seceded.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-08-18 08:55am

I say let their economy collapse first. I caught the evening news on CTCV in Montreal and evidently Quebecers are all pissed off that the price of day care is rising from $5 a day to $8 a day.

$8 CAD... what is that, like....$5 USD? SHEESH! getting a little greedy in the welfare state aren't we?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-08-18 10:06am

Part of the problem with quebec is they have a largely tourist based economy.

in the FLQ stupidity hit in the late 70's early 80's (I don't recall which), that hurt there tourism. Mailboxes blowing up tends to do that.

Hmm... come to think of it, didn't the PQ come after the FLQ? (Front de Liberation du Quebec)