The world's stupidest lawsuit to be filed.

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-22 03:25pm

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-brea...23351-5102r.htm

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. How can he prove such a thing?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-08-22 03:25pm

My God, they're making a law about broken links? The bastards!

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-22 03:28pm

Here's the longer version fromwww.Memri.org

Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]

Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?"

Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples…

"The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known.

"The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils…"

Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?"

Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."

Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"

Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."

Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"

Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36…"

Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?"

Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

"From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners.

"On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft."

Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…

"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."

Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-22 03:34pm

He conveniently forgets that by the same argument the Jews can claim an even greater amount of money in reparations due to slavery.

This is anti-Semitic propaganda, pure and simple.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-08-22 03:36pm

It sounds like a joke. It has the wording of a joke. It sounds too well-contructed and ironic to be real.

If it IS real, then it probably STARTED as a joke that someone wanted to see if they could get away with.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-08-22 03:37pm

Sueing for something that happened thousands of years ago,WTF

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-22 03:39pm

Lagmonster wrote:It sounds like a joke. It has the wording of a joke. It sounds too well-contructed and ironic to be real.

If it IS real, then it probably STARTED as a joke that someone wanted to see if they could get away with.

It is not a joke, UPI did report this and It is in the washington Times website and is on www.Memri.org. The longer article i posted comes from Memri. The Memri article is an excerpt from Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, which is a state-run Egyptian news magazine.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-08-22 03:49pm

anyone care to prove the exodus happened?

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-22 04:40pm

So, I can sue all of christianity for personal trauma because I like to masturbate to porno, and christians hate you for it.

So, who wants to file charges now. It seems anything goes today.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-08-22 04:55pm

This is beyond mildly stupid. I wonder what kind of tort laws the Swiss have.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-08-22 05:01pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:This is beyond mildly stupid. I wonder what kind of tort laws the Swiss have.

Austrian tort is better.

This is REALLY REALLY DUMB. It's as dumb as space is big. And space is big. No, you don't understand, space is BIG!...
So it goes...
hiho

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2003-08-22 05:04pm

Wouldn't statute of limitations prevail in this case?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-22 05:05pm

Alferd Packer wrote:Wouldn't statute of limitations prevail in this case?

There never was a statute to begin with.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-08-22 05:10pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:Here's the longer version fromwww.Memri.org
*SNIP*

That's just stupid.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-08-22 06:08pm

see i see it as ingenious, hell if israel has the right to exist as a racially defined state with legalized apartied based at least in part on the bible, then the egyptians should be able to sue based on the same principles. Its classic and goes to show why the whole concept of reparations to the descendants of those who were hurt by the descendants of those who committed the hurt are stupid in their entirety (same reason i oppose reparation to black people in the US, if you showed me a living slave and a living former slave owner, id think reparations are in order)

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-08-22 08:23pm

I'd like to see them prove that ancient Egypt possesed gold in the amounts they're claiming. They should also be able to name the original injured parties, and who their surviving heirs are.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-22 09:43pm

This lawsuit has just as much validity of 3000 year old Jewish Torah-based land claims. Oh wait, we expect those ancient land claims to be honoured, don't we?

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-22 09:44pm

So napolean, you come again to prove you are an idiot.
Their ability to sue over an umconfirmed biblical event means in theory that anyone could sue over just about anything in any fiction material. I don't like the fact that chrisitans persecuted homosexuals, so on behalf of all homosexuals, I will sue christianity for 1 quadrillion dollars.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-08-22 09:48pm

Dark Hellion wrote:Their ability to sue over an umconfirmed biblical event means in theory that anyone could sue over just about anything in any fiction material.

He's not advocating that this suit is legitimate. He's simply comparing it to other illegitimate Biblical claims to point out some hyprocracies. He even outright said he was against reperations. Don't call him an idiot without reading his post first.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-08-22 10:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:This lawsuit has just as much validity of 3000 year old Jewish Torah-based land claims. Oh wait, we expect those ancient land claims to be honoured, don't we?

Well, unless you discount the mounds of at least 2000 year old evidence relating to the Jews living there, including extensive Roman records...

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2003-08-22 10:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:This lawsuit has just as much validity of 3000 year old Jewish Torah-based land claims. Oh wait, we expect those ancient land claims to be honoured, don't we?

Unlike the Exodus, we can prove that Jews have been living in Palestine since before Alexander the Great.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-22 10:25pm

Darth Wong wrote:This lawsuit has just as much validity of 3000 year old Jewish Torah-based land claims. Oh wait, we expect those ancient land claims to be honoured, don't we?

I agree that it's ridiculous to honor such claims, but the Jews didn't just swoop into Palestine and start demanding that the British honor their historical claim to it, they worked their asses off on it, mixing their labor with the land and making it their own. They did not force the native Palestinians to comply, either; early Zionism was quite peaceful compared to the violence we have today, with many Palestinians welcoming the "Jewish gold" that Zionism brought.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-08-22 10:32pm

EmperorSolo51 wrote:Unlike the Exodus, we can prove that Jews have been living in Palestine since before Alexander the Great.

If tommorrow, some overwhelming peice of evidence is found indicating the Exodus story was at least partially true, true enough to validate the Egyptian's claims let's say, would the suit become then legitimate?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-22 10:37pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This lawsuit has just as much validity of 3000 year old Jewish Torah-based land claims. Oh wait, we expect those ancient land claims to be honoured, don't we?
Well, unless you discount the mounds of at least 2000 year old evidence relating to the Jews living there, including extensive Roman records...

And other lived there before them, didn't they?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-22 10:38pm

Durran Korr wrote:I agree that it's ridiculous to honor such claims, but the Jews didn't just swoop into Palestine and start demanding that the British honor their historical claim to it, they worked their asses off on it, mixing their labor with the land and making it their own. They did not force the native Palestinians to comply, either; early Zionism was quite peaceful compared to the violence we have today, with many Palestinians welcoming the "Jewish gold" that Zionism brought.

Indeed, they "welcomed" their new overlords so much that hundreds of thousands of them fled their homes using any means necessary in order to live in refugee camps