Disturbing Quotes

[The Duchess of Zeon]

For the Brownmiller quote like some of Raine Isler's quotes from Calice and The Blade. Both in the context of the larger work provide more of an inclusive and equlity type statement. The quote is from the Introduction, stating retoric before presenting facts.

let's face it from "Under my thumb", "Stupid Girl", and "Midnight Rambler" you could conclude that the Rolling Stones are violent GF beaters who espouse rape and murder. (Oh wait in the evidence of the 20 plus rapes at Altamont Brownmiller did suggest that people took the lyrics as an excuse to do the wrong thing.), Nothing new, Ten years later Xerenia's punk band "X" stopped playing thier underground hit "Johnny Hit & Run Pauline" (a song that admonishes rape, because too many men were interpreting it as a "Pro-Rape" song...),

Let's face it, no matter how vile the act I can probably find a song about it....

Well, in the realm of music, the band ManOwaR--which I occasionally find good/amusing enough to have one CD and several MP3s of--has this absolutely hideous song "Pleasure Slave" which honestly sounds downright Gorean, but nobody ever gives them any trouble over it. Not even me--but, then again, I also have half-a-hundred songs on my computer which are outright Soviet or Chinese Communist propaganda works, so I'm very forgiving when it comes to art (Zengjuk-a-Dalt is a very stirring tune).

[Eleas]

Feminazism

Was that even needed to be posted? It was just some rant; if that person's opinion is valuable, invite them to join the board. Absolute gender equality (perhaps parity might be a better term), incidently, is inevitable.

Hope you won't be offended here, Marina, but that sounds awfully similar to the insistences of Marxist lunatic about the "inevitability" of the historical dialectic. I don't think you have much of a case - there are many more factors than equality of labor to be considered.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Hope you won't be offended here, Marina, but that sounds awfully similar to the insistences of Marxist lunatic about the "inevitability" of the historical dialectic. I don't think you have much of a case - there are many more factors than equality of labor to be considered.

The historical dialectic is inevitable. Marxists were just incorrect in that communism is inevitable--they tacked it on like a cheap neon sign to the perfectly correct dialectic of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel. And, I would argue, there are very few factors other than the economic factors to consider. We have, principles, economics; we have innovation; and we have Government, as a legal concept--the different forms of which allowed to flourish, ultimately, from the interrelation of the other two, making them principle. Oh, of course, these other factors affect the flavoring of the world, but ultimately these twin pedestals are the pendulum upon which the history of humanity has swung. This has been demonstrated, and shown to proceed in a progressive fashion.

Industry led to the economic surpluses, the sheer extravagant wealth, of modern society--and this is exactly what has caused society today to be undone! Society today is nothing like the society of old--it is nothing like it because it exists in a realm nothing like the society of old. The change to an a-religious, a material-driven society, is not happening simply because ideas were put out, but because ideas were put out into a climate where they could flourish. This is a climate where industry exists that allows widespread economic surpluses to be had, and where the majority, the majority of the people, now live in cities--something totally impossible before the beginning of the Industrial Revolution!

This is a huge shift in the nature of society, a world-shaking revolution which has been undertaken over the course of several centuries, and is still going on. Marxism was, ultimately, a form of agrarian reaction to this, this truth to Marxism being held out in the core of its writings (and indeed in how it principally flourished in more agrarian countries). Likewise the initially harsh reaction of Victorian morality, far more severe than that of even the prior century. But you see--this entire era of chaos, several centuries long though it may be, will eventually lead to an Industrial societal organization, which underlies and supports Capitalist Democracy as the principle foundation of the governments of the whole world. This is the progress to which the dialectic is headed; when it does, the economic conditions and requires of the new order, and the prevailing technological developments, make it an absolutely logical conclusion that effective gender parity shall exist, and shall be an inevitable part of this system.

[Peregrin Toker]

Well, in the realm of music, the band ManOwaR--which I occasionally find good/amusing enough to have one CD and several MP3s of--has this absolutely hideous song "Pleasure Slave" which honestly sounds downright Gorean, but nobody ever gives them any trouble over it.

Ah, that dreaded bonus track from "Kings Of Metal" - One reviewer describes this song the following way: So...were you Mano-dudes that hard up in the 80s for chicks? Generally misygonistic lyrics are a reflection of sexual disfunction, so draw your own conclusions.

As for the use of the word "Gorean" to describe that song... well, you couldn't have hit the nail on the head more accurately.

Not even me--but, then again, I also have half-a-hundred songs on my computer which are outright Soviet or Chinese Communist propaganda works, so I'm very forgiving when it comes to art (Zengjuk-a-Dalt is a very stirring tune).

Reminds me of the fact that during WW2, American radio stations were forbidden from playing music by Richard Wagner.

[Darth Gojira]

Reminds me of the fact that during WW2, American radio stations were forbidden from playing music by Richard Wagner.

That was also true in Isreal until recently.