What are Turbolasers

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 03:32pm

On the surface the word implies a very high power Laser device. This can be misleading since the visuial evidence shows us that Star Wars Lasers are much more than they appear. The idea that a LASER needs to have a physical lens to focus the beam is a fallicy. From some research I've done in LASERs. LASERs at power levels over 100,000 kW will melt a physical lens. These higher powered laser use Magnetic Lenses but this wouldn't account for the "plamsa" venting as a turbolaser fires. The use of a magnetic lens would explain how the Superlaser elements can combine into a single beam. There are several ways a Turbolaser fits the profile of a laser weapon with a ionized tracer but there are other ways that it does not.

1: The weapon does its damage before the tracer rounds hit the target.

2: The weapons have a lack of physical lens which means that their power rating have to exceed 100,000 kW.

3: The Weapon exihibit a Flak Burst effect inicating a rudimentary Partical Cannon portion of the beam

4: The weapon Plasme vents as it fires as does a high power Partical Cannon

5: The Weapon is visible in a vacume.

The weapon characteristics fit neither lasers or partical weapon but it does fit the profile of both.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 03:52pm

it's not simply a LASER! It acts differently! Mike goes over this in his Turbolaser Commentaries.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 04:03pm

IG-88E: Saxton disagrees he says its pure laser and the the visable bolt is waste energy traveling along the beam.

Personally I think its just a Plasma bolt and some FX mistakes, im sure HDS will arrive soon and tell us we must bow down before the world of Saxton.

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Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 04:36pm

No! If it were a laser, a LASER, it would move at the speed of light!

It is not a simple LASER!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 04:42pm

According to the laser theory it does travel at the speed of light but becayse its invisable we dont see it, we see waste glow thta moves slower than the beam.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 04:45pm

Oh really? Then why does stuff explore when the "waste" hits them and not the actual "laser"?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 04:48pm

Exactly... I have yet to get an answer the entire theory is based on FX faults where an explosion or two happen before the blot.

Frank LLoyd Wright · Post by **Frank LLoyd Wright** » 2002-09-25 06:10pm

I feel the Turbo-Laser is a combination of the two technologies. Using a highly amplified packet of photons and posibly particles of some matter that serves as the explosive flack. This Packet is accelerated out of the gun using some magnetic accelerator. I would illusrae it as a light/particle shell rather than a beam.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:17pm

Finally, a light in the darkness of idiocy.

Captain Zod · Post by **Captain Zod** » 2002-09-25 06:23pm

Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 06:25pm

Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

I've always wondered why pro-Wars debaters don't just counter this with "Proton torpedoes sound cooler than photon torpedoes."

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:25pm

What the hell is this shit??!!? Are you a troll or what?!?!!?!? IT'S NOT A FREAKING LASER!!!!!! If it was, it's velocity would be the speed of light, and it's obviously NOT! And the visible part is NOT harmless! Why do you see explosions going off when the 'visible' beam hits its target, you DUMBASS?!?!!?!?!?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 06:28pm

IG-88E: Watch your blood pressure there, boy I wish HDS would arrive - it would be a great flame war

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:29pm

Been there, done that, went to sleep.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:30pm

Zod, did you read the post AT ALL, or did you just throw in that dumbass remark without thinknig? I'm betting the latter.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 06:30pm

Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

The problem with thst is that the Lasers show a level of energy that could easily damage the enterprise(200,000 GWatts). And even if it is a Laser how can you possibly justify that the Enterprise is immune to them. There are other ST:TNG episodes where Picard considered Lasers to be a threat to the ship.

Captain Zod · Post by **Captain Zod** » 2002-09-25 06:33pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.
The problem with thst is that the Lasers show a level of energy that could easily damage the enterprise(200,000 GWatts). And even if it is a Laser how can you possibly justify that the Enterprise is immune to them. There are other ST:TNG episodes where Picard considered Lasers to be a threat to the ship.

If their weapons are 200 terawatts, it won't matter what they use.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:34pm

You're dodging the question. Is the turbolaser a LASER or not?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 06:35pm

IG-88E wrote:You're dodging the question. Is the turbolaser a LASER or not?

Not by our definition of the word. It appears to be a colloquialism.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:36pm

That's what I'm trying to say! Zod is a dumbass for believing it to be a LASER!!!!!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 06:40pm

Captain Zod wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.
The problem with thst is that the Lasers show a level of energy that could easily damage the enterprise(200,000 GWatts). And even if it is a Laser how can you possibly justify that the Enterprise is immune to them. There are other ST:TNG episodes where Picard considered Lasers to be a threat to the ship.

If their weapons are 200 terawatts, it won't matter what they use.

How can you possibly beleive that the Enterprise could deflect a energy beam 200 times the power output of the Enterprise-D(1TW)? The Ship can't stop something with power it dosn'e have.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:41pm

That's what he's saying: it won't matter because the ship is dead meat no matter waht.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 06:41pm

Isolder74 wrote: How can you possibly beleive that the Enterprise could deflect a energy beam 200 times the power output of the Enterprise-D(1TW)? The Ship can't stop something with power it dosn'e have.

Actually, that's not true. It should take less energy to stop something using shields than it does to fire it. That's the whole point of shields: to make your enemy spend more energy than you have to.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 06:42pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: How can you possibly beleive that the Enterprise could deflect a energy beam 200 times the power output of the Enterprise-D(1TW)? The Ship can't stop something with power it dosn'e have.
Actually, that's not true. It should take less energy to stop something using shields than it does to fire it. That's the whole point of shields: to make your enemy spend more energy than you have to.

your not helping

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 06:46pm

Isolder74 wrote: your not helping

I don't step in to help one side or the other. I step in to find the truth. In this case, you are partially wrong. Captain Zod's argument is not correct, but that does not give you a carte blanche to use whatever fallacies you want to use against his argument. Now, Captain Zod has admitted that ST ships are not immune to lasers of any kind, so the tough part is done for you. Now all you have to do is estimate the firepower of HTL's in watts, and the debate should be over.

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