What are Turbolasers

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 06:52pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: your not helping
I don't step in to help one side or the other. I step in to find the truth. In this case, you are partially wrong. Captain Zod's argument is not correct, but that does not give you a carte blanche to use whatever fallacies you want to use against his argument. Now, Captain Zod has admitted that ST ships are not immune to lasers of any kind, so the tough part is done for you. Now all you have to do is estimate the firepower of HTL's in watts, and the debate should be over.

Which I have done, It come to about 400 GWatts for a heavy turbolaser, and 200 GWatts for a Light Turbolaser. If that seem familier that's cause a Husnock ship with similiar fire rating was able to do knock out the Enterprise' shield with 2 shots of a Particle weapon. Since Turbo Laser appear to be mostly Particle weapons the rest goes from there.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 06:53pm

I see Zod has fled from this thread.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-25 06:55pm

Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

Piss off you stupid Ignorant TROLL!!!

Die Troll Die!!!!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 06:58pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: How can you possibly beleive that the Enterprise could deflect a energy beam 200 times the power output of the Enterprise-D(1TW)? The Ship can't stop something with power it dosn'e have.
Actually, that's not true. It should take less energy to stop something using shields than it does to fire it. That's the whole point of shields: to make your enemy spend more energy than you have to.

1 to 20 I could buy but not 1 to 200

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 07:01pm

Yeah, even if the shield has an easy time blocking blows, that's a little unreasonable.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 07:01pm

Don't worry HOOLIGAN, I've dealt with him.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-25 07:44pm

Notice how Zod didn't even vote for the "it;'s a laser" option. Even Darkstar and User099 voted for their own option

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 07:44pm

2000AD wrote:Notice how Zod didn't even vote for the "it;'s a laser" option. Even Darkstar and User099 voted for their own option

I don't think that Zod is as stupid as he at first appears.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-09-25 07:45pm

Its not a laser. XaLEV will be nice enough to post the relevant quote at some point. His whole purpose here seems to be reminding some of you what Saxton actually PUT in the AOTC ICS. I'll just reinforce it by saying this:

"Just because its a massless particle does not automatically mean its a photon, so do not assume so."

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 07:46pm

Thank you

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2002-09-25 09:57pm

Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

Didn't PROMETHEUS say the that concluding only from the name, 'turbolaser' implies that "it's a laser that involves turbines"?

Yeah, and photosynthesis is the process in which photos are synthesized.

You are obviously a very bored person, repeating useless crap in hopes of irritating up-tight or fanatical people (which, interrestingly enough, is the original definition of a troll, as opposed the the more common one, which is closely associated to spammers.

Well, I'm not biting. Your facade is lame and transparent. Go fish in rougher waters, and try diversifying your troll-bait next time.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 09:58pm

Thank you, for staying calm when I couldn't, Utsanomiko.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-25 10:02pm

2000AD wrote:Notice how Zod didn't even vote for the "it;'s a laser" option. Even Darkstar and User099 voted for their own option

He probably voted for the It's just some magic option

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 10:03pm

The guy probably can't read straight, he's such a dumbass.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2002-09-25 10:34pm

He's trolling for n00bs, and getting results.

Keep crusty old fishermen out of the boards, people: Don't get hooked by Trolls.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 10:53pm

Quote from Mr. Bean:

Don't feed the troll folks, just mooove along.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-26 12:23am

IG-88E wrote:Quote from Mr. Bean:

Don't feed the troll folks, just mooove along.

Can we send on Great Big Billy Goat Gruff?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-26 12:25am

hehe

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-26 12:28am

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-26 12:31am

to get back on topic what are turbolasers

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-09-26 12:48am

The SW2ICS has an official explanation. I see no reason why we should reinvent the wheel and come up with another one. Its perfectly satisfactory.

And the ST immune to lasers rubbish has been smacked down time and time again by anyone with half a brain and a smidgen of science.

Funny how all the rabid unreasonable Trekkies read all sorts of nonsense into the 'Outrageous Okona' quote but they all develop massive amnesia in Q Who, when the Enterprise-D is carved up by a

"BORG CUTTING LASER"

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-09-26 01:09am

The fact is the energy output of a turbolaser show that they must be much more than mere laser.. No standard Visible or ultavoliet laser would be able to generate such power...

Another factor is the range.. In Behind the magic Turbolaser and DS superlaser have stated ranges in the light minutes not light seconds.

Third is the Flak effect..

Is seem that the Turbo laser must be a very advance Graser ( A device that lases Gamma rays) recent experiment in this area show that Graser would generate GJoules worth of energy per gram of matter used.. But even a Graser would not account for the range and flak effect, so the Graser energy would have to be altered, convert into something else.. That else is a Soliton like entity called a light Bullet..

Check out the follow link, it show that light bullet would create a stable packet of energy that would account for things like flak effect, the merging of lesser beams in DS super laser to create the final planet bursting beam and the range of turbolasers.

http://www.sfu.ca/~renns/lbullets.html

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-09-26 09:11am

omegaLancer wrote:The fact is the energy output of a turbolaser show that they must be much more than mere laser.. No standard Visible or ultavoliet laser would be able to generate such power...

Why not? You kick anything hard enough, it'll respond, laser or not. The magnetic lens stuff mentioned earlier (not by you, I hasten to add) is not very likely. Light does not bend in magnetic fields. You simply need a physical lens that absorbs little of the beam energy, or an equivalent mirror. The mirror is probably more likely, although at sufficiently high frequencies (X-ray and gamma) virtually nothing will help.

Is seem that the Turbo laser must be a very advance Graser ( A device that lases Gamma rays) recent experiment in this area show that Graser would generate GJoules worth of energy per gram of matter used..
But even a Graser would not account for the range and flak effect, so the Graser energy would have to be altered, convert into something else.. That else is a Soliton like entity called a light Bullet..

Check out the follow link, it show that light bullet would create a stable packet of energy that would account for things like flak effect, the merging of lesser beams in DS super laser to create the final planet bursting beam and the range of turbolasers.

http://www.sfu.ca/~renns/lbullets.html

You cannot create a soliton without a medium that exhibits a variable, non-linear index of refraction dependent on intensity. Since free space does not have this property, I don't see how that's relevant.
Colliding solitons interact because the properties of the medium force them to - free space will not.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-26 01:15pm

Captain Zod wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.
The problem with thst is that the Lasers show a level of energy that could easily damage the enterprise(200,000 GWatts). And even if it is a Laser how can you possibly justify that the Enterprise is immune to them. There are other ST:TNG episodes where Picard considered Lasers to be a threat to the ship.

If their weapons are 200 terawatts, it won't matter what they use.

Concession accepted. If they are 200 TW, it won't matter if they use LASERs or not, the Enterprise is toast.

Back to the original question, though, I'd say they're either a plasma or particle beam, or some other unknown magic technology.

But the only reason we'd really want to argue that they AREN'T lasers, is because of the stupid lameass Trekkie comments about LASER immunity, which states that a LASER can't penetrate, but a SCHMASER can.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-26 01:19pm

Captain Zod wrote:Just a laser. The visible part is the "turbo" part and harmless. Thats why the Feds will stomp the Imperials.

Geewhiz, I agree. Obviously the word "turbolaser" comes from a turbine and a laser. The visible part is actually a diesel turbine thrown out of the window and it's harmless.

No wonder why the Feds can stomp those "turbo"-throwning Imps.

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