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California Court Rules for DVD Industry - Encryption Codes

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David Kravets wrote:The California Supreme Court ruled Monday that courts may block Internet users from posting codes that could be used to illegally copy DVD movies, in a case that pitted trade secret rights against free speech.

The justices did not resolve whether the code was in fact a trade secret, leaving that for a lower court to determine. They did rule, however, that they would not tolerate the posting of legitimate trade secrets online and reversed a lower court that said disseminating trade secrets was protected free speech.

The case centered on San Francisco computer programmer Andrew Bunner, who in 1999 posted the code to crack the encryption technology and, according to the movie industry, helped users replicate thousands of copyright movies per day.

The DVD Copy Control Association, an arm of Hollywood studios, said it controls the encryption system, which scrambles data to prevent unauthorized copying of a movie sold in the DVD format. The association sued Bunner and others under California's Uniform Trade Secrets Act.

A San Jose judge ordered Bunner to remove the encryption-cracking code from the Internet. But the 6th District Court of Appeal in San Jose lifted that injunction, a move the DVD Copy Control Association said was akin to giving crooks the technology to reproduce protected material such as movies on a large scale.

The court of appeal ruled that protecting trade secrets is not as important as "the First Amendment right to freedom of speech."

A unanimous Supreme Court, however, ruled otherwise Monday.

Justice Janice Rogers Brown, in reversing the appeals court on a 7-0 vote, said an order to remove the code "does not violate the free speech clauses of the United States and California constitutions."

The case is not fully resolved, however, because the Supreme Court also ordered the San Jose appeals court to analyze whether the code is still a protected trade secret given its widespread exposure.

The DVD association hailed Monday's decision.

"This opinion has wide applications to trade secret law," said association attorney Robert G. Sugerman. "Owners of trade secrets can now protect those trade secrets through injunctive relief, which is clearly now available."

During oral arguments three months ago, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer joined the group in arguing that industry secrets would be plundered if computer users could post them without court intervention. Companies including Boeing Co., Ford Motor Co. and AOL Time Warner Inc. urged the justices to side with the DVD association, arguing that trade secret protections trump First Amendment speech protections.

Bunner did not devise the decryption code, but instead posted it on one of his Web sites. The Norwegian teen who cracked the code, Jon Johansen, was acquitted in Norway in January of charges he stole trade secrets.

Bunner, 26, said he has removed any reference to it from the Internet and is fighting the case to stand up for free speech rights. He is one of dozens of people throughout the United States that the association is suing for posting the code.

He said Monday he believed his actions were lawful, and said he posted the code to let others play DVDs on their computers.

"The idea was to get it out there for an open-source DVD player," Bunner said.

His attorney, David A. Greene, said the appeals court could still ultimately support Bunner's actions because the code's global dissemination may not grant it status as a trade secret anymore.
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Don't know exactly how I feel about that.

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When they sell the movie, I buy the ENTIRE thing and I can do whatever I damned well want with it. This is just another case of the MPAA and RIAA trying to circumvent fairuse laws. If it is legal to copy your own movies, its damned well legal to provide the tools and information to allow others to do it. Banning something because its used improperly and hurting those who use it properly is not how you go about solving the problem. Might as well start prohibition again.
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Nanananana!

Australia has regionless DVD players by law!

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Goddamn it.

Any one want to bet on how long it is before they simply rule and legislate themselves out of a customer base?
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Stormbringer wrote:Goddamn it.

Any one want to bet on how long it is before they simply rule and legislate themselves out of a customer base?
I doubt that'll happen as DVDs are simply superior to VHS in every way and there are no challengers as of yet.
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weemadando wrote:Nanananana!

Australia has regionless DVD players by law!

Bwhahahaha!

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neoolong wrote: What do you think?
Its the CA Supreme Court, of COURSE they're in cahoots with Hollywood..

When I see another state like Michigan, which has no serious ties
to Hollywood do this, then I'll get worried
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A Napster, then Morpheus, then Kazaa will happen to DVD players.


I hope the MPAA or whoever the guys are do not want to end up in the same mess the RIAA are in.



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Crown wrote: Who's in charge now that Proff. Alan Fels (heretofore known as 'God') resigned? Are they as good as God was?
Forgotten the name, but they ran a quick profile on SBS news last night.

He's promised leniency to companies that dob in their collaborators in price fixing rings...
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MKSheppard wrote:
neoolong wrote: What do you think?
Its the CA Supreme Court, of COURSE they're in cahoots with Hollywood..

When I see another state like Michigan, which has no serious ties
to Hollywood do this, then I'll get worried
San Jose is a long way from Hollywood, it would not surprise me if there is more influence from Silcon Valley on this case. Software companies watch this kind of stuff just as closely, but your basic assumption that Hollywood has its influence here is correct. It's just that the influence is felt more in the legistlature.
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This is hardly surprising given that Hollywood is in California. Is it now illegal to create an open source DVD player application?
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weemadando wrote:Australia has regionless DVD players by law!
OT question: What's the current like in Aus? 120 VAC @ 60 Hz perhaps? And if so, can I, here in the US, legally purchase an Australian DVD player? I'd rather do that than 'modify' my player.

Back OT, trade secrets are quite protected here in the US. Note that the court didn't rule on whether the encryption was a trade secret, but rather on the issue of whether it is protected free speech or not.

Too, when you buy a movie or CD, you're not buying it, you're buying a recording of it, with the rights involved in a private/consumer licensing deal.

At any rate, the specific encryption scheme shouldn't really be considered a trade secret any more, as it was all over the internet. I think I even have a copy of the pages detailing it saved somewhere around here.

And anything new they come up with, someone will figure out a way around it, and it'll get out on the internet. I'm sure there's some geek out there right now, working on a digital virutal RF modulator (or whatever) for stripping encryption off of DVD's...
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weemadando wrote:Australia has regionless DVD players by law!
OT question: What's the current like in Aus? 120 VAC @ 60 Hz perhaps? And if so, can I, here in the US, legally purchase an Australian DVD player? I'd rather do that than 'modify' my player.
No they use 240V, same as us and England (although Englishpower sockets look slightly different). What you can do though is get a step down transformer (with a high enough wattage to handle a DVD player) from your local radioshack.
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Actually, a lot of electronics with switching power supplies can handle a broad range from 110-240V AC - check the device first.

The Radio Shack adapters tend to burn out fairly quickly, I've found.
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Does Australia use PAL or NTSC?
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Doesn't matter, since it's probably lost trade secret status anyway.

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Drewcifer wrote:
weemadando wrote:Australia has regionless DVD players by law!
OT question: What's the current like in Aus? 120 VAC @ 60 Hz perhaps? And if so, can I, here in the US, legally purchase an Australian DVD player? I'd rather do that than 'modify' my player.
Or you can go here. The player's about 240 dollars, but it'd probably be less than trying to buy a decent one from Australia and importing it.

I've used the company before, and they're reliable.
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Drooling Iguana wrote:Does Australia use PAL or NTSC?
PAL.
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Drooling Iguana wrote:Does Australia use PAL or NTSC?
PAL primarily, although modern TVs have selectable colour systems. At least the ones we see do anyway, not sure if US manufacturers would bother putting that feature in as it's more common for us to import from the US rather then the other way around.
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Spyder wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:Does Australia use PAL or NTSC?
PAL primarily, although modern TVs have selectable colour systems. At least the ones we see do anyway, not sure if US manufacturers would bother putting that feature in as it's more common for us to import from the US rather then the other way around.
Some players are NTSC/PAL. I think Xbox is as well.
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Durandal wrote:Is it now illegal to create an open source DVD player application?
In California, yes. If you use MPlayer on Linux to watch a DVD that you legally bought and paid for, then you are guilty of multiple criminal offenses at the state and federal level, and you probably have links to Al-Quaeda too (don't laugh; at least one senator has already tried to link file-sharing to terrorism).
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Darth Wong wrote:
Durandal wrote:Is it now illegal to create an open source DVD player application?
In California, yes. If you use MPlayer on Linux to watch a DVD that you legally bought and paid for, then you are guilty of multiple criminal offenses at the state and federal level, and you probably have links to Al-Quaeda too (don't laugh; at least one senator has already tried to link file-sharing to terrorism).
Do you have a link to that last part? It would be funny to read.
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neoolong wrote:Do you have a link to that last part? It would be funny to read.
Sure. http://www.msnbc.com/news/944690.asp?0cv=CB30

Here's an excerpt:
Newsweek writer Steven Levy wrote:I assumed that the crime of file-sharing, joyfully committed by an estimated 60 million pirates, was mainly a problem of lost revenues for the music industry. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, giving the opening testimony, argued otherwise, calling file-sharing networks a grave security risk to this nation.
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Interesting. Thanks.
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Darth Wong wrote:Here's an excerpt:
Newsweek writer Steven Levy wrote:...Sen. Dianne Feinstein, giving the opening testimony, argued otherwise, calling file-sharing networks a grave security risk to this nation.
That's so insane! How do people say things like that with a straight face? Like there's a cave somewhere in Saudi Arabia where Aknod and Akmed have decided to forget about airplanes and car bombs and will bring down The Great Satan by downloading pirated Brittany Spears mp3s :roll:
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