Schwartzeneggar on the Issues.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-27 10:24pm

Arnold Schwartzeneggar on the issues here.

To summarize for those that don't want to read the link.

In favor of:
-Legalizing medical marijuana
-Abortion Rights (IE he's pro-choice, but doesn't support partial birth abortions)
-Assault Weapon Ban
-Background checks on firearms
-Prayer in public school

Opposed to:
-Offshore drilling
-Gay marriage (he defines marriage as between a man and woman specifically)
-Granting driver's liscenses to illegal immigrants

No position given on, is unsure of, or left as a possiblity:
-Affirmative Action
-Proposition 54 (which bans most collecting of racial data by state institutions)
-California's fiscal problems, except that he doesn't like 'em and claims to be able to fix them.
-Left the possiblity of raising taxes in California for emergencies open.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-27 10:26pm

Just to clarify one points: He does support giving gay parenters rights equivalent to marriage under the umbrella of a "domestic partnership."

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-27 10:32pm

Stormbringer wrote:Just to clarify one points: He does support giving gay parenters rights equivalent to marriage under the umbrella of a "domestic partnership."

Whoops, I meant to type that, but then I got distracted and typed someone else. Mea culpa.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-27 10:37pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Just to clarify one points: He does support giving gay parenters rights equivalent to marriage under the umbrella of a "domestic partnership."
Whoops, I meant to type that, but then I got distracted and typed someone else. Mea culpa.

No big deal. Just thought that would be something worth noting.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-08-27 10:54pm

Sounds more like a moderate Democrat than a Republican to me...maybe leaning in the Libertarian direction a little.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-27 11:14pm

Prayer in public school

This is enough reason for me to never vote for him.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-27 11:14pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Prayer in public school
This is enough reason for me to never vote for him.

That and you don't live in California.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-27 11:19pm

I'd like to hear Arnie elaborate on his support for school prayer.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-27 11:23pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Prayer in public school
This is enough reason for me to never vote for him.
That and you don't live in California.

That is beside the point....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-27 11:37pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Arnold Schwartzeneggar on the issues here.

To summarize for those that don't want to read the link.

In favor of:
-Legalizing medical marijuana
-Abortion Rights (IE he's pro-choice, but doesn't support partial birth abortions)
-Assault Weapon Ban
-Background checks on firearms
-Prayer in public school

Moderate Republican position. Hardly a surprise.

Opposed to:
-Offshore drilling
-Gay marriage (he defines marriage as between a man and woman specifically)
-Granting driver's liscenses to illegal immigrants

Once again, moderate Republican position. Hardly a surprise.

No position given on, is unsure of, or left as a possiblity:
-Affirmative Action
-Proposition 54 (which bans most collecting of racial data by state institutions)
-California's fiscal problems, except that he doesn't like 'em and claims to be able to fix them.
-Left the possiblity of raising taxes in California for emergencies open.

Heh heh. I think what we've learned from this is that Schwarzenegger has no real values; he is just saying whatever he thinks will get him the win. Looks like he's highly qualified to be a politician

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-27 11:43pm

Or he might be one of those fable creatures, the moderate Republican.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-27 11:46pm

Stormbringer wrote:Or he might be one of those fable creatures, the moderate Republican.

His positions are perfectly suited to the Republican party's game plan for California; I find it highly unlikely that he just happens to hold that precise set of views (especially the bit about school prayer, which is not only unconstitutional but normally indicative of much more than the usual religious fervour, from a man who has never expressed anything of the sort).

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-27 11:47pm

Stormbringer wrote:Or he might be one of those fable creatures, the moderate Republican.

Most Republicans are moderate on economic issues these days.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-08-27 11:49pm

Durran Korr wrote:I'd like to hear Arnie elaborate on his support for school prayer.

He grew up in post-war Austria with a very strict father, who was almost certainly a Christian. Austria probably had prayer in public schools, as well. Odds are he just can't see why anyone wouldn't want to pray in public school.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-27 11:51pm

It just seems like an odd position for him to have.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-27 11:52pm

Durandal wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:I'd like to hear Arnie elaborate on his support for school prayer.
He grew up in post-war Austria with a very strict father, who was almost certainly a Christian. Austria probably had prayer in public schools, as well. Odds are he just can't see why anyone wouldn't want to pray in public school.

Postwar Germany has become extremely irreligious.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-27 11:54pm

I dont think I know a single German who is religious(and I know plenty)

Every exchange student who has passed through my high school in my years there, has been atheist...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-08-27 11:55pm

The fact that prostitution is legal in Germany is a pretty good indicator of Christianity's loss of power.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-27 11:56pm

Fuck, Birget had to change host families due to the constant conversion attempts and forced church(mormon) attendance.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-27 11:58pm

Darth Wong wrote: Postwar Germany has become extremely irreligious.

Austria's postwar history was considerably different then that of Germany and the two nations union under the Nazi's really wasn't that long.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-08-28 12:39am

Darth Wong wrote:The fact that prostitution is legal in Germany is a pretty good indicator of Christianity's loss of power.

If Schwarzenegger were German, that would mean something.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-08-28 01:06am

Gil Hamilton wrote:-Legalizing medical marijuana

WOOT! Now come on Arnie, don't be a girly man. Come out in favor of legalized recreational marijuana. It's California, for Chrissakes. It's not like everybody isn't already smoking it.

-Abortion Rights (IE he's pro-choice, but doesn't support partial birth abortions)

Sounds perfectly reasonable.

-Assault Weapon Ban

BOO! Stupid law with no basis in objective fact.

-Background checks on firearms

Eh. Acceptable.

-Prayer in public school

Can we say "pandering"? I knew you could.

Opposed to:
-Offshore drilling

Purely local issue I know squat about. No opinion.

-Gay marriage (he defines marriage as between a man and woman specifically)

But he's in favor of domestic partnerships. Way to piss of the gays in San Francisco and the paleocons in Orange County simultaneously.

-Granting driver's liscenses to illegal immigrants

Should this even be an issue? Jesus.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-08-28 01:37am

He has an interesting mix of opinions. The prayer one is puzzling, I agree with others it seems like pandering. A big segment of the Republican party here thinks he is a faux Republican. The Democrats are accusing him of being a tool of the right. His opinions seem to be desiged to get some acceptance from both groups.

As for offshore drilling, thats a big one here. Some of the oil is close enough to the shore that any accident would trash the local tourist economy not to mention who wants to visit the beach to look at oil derricks. I doubt oil drilling will happen here for a long, long, time. Its basically comes down to competing interests. Oil vs. tourism. Oil vs. real estate. Oil vs. environmentalists. And so on. Oil will lose in this case.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-08-28 05:54am

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You have to remember that it was Sean Hannity giving the interview. I listened to a segment of it, and I suspect that the reason why Arnold said he was in favour of prayer in schools is because of the wording of the question. This was his exact response:

"I believe in prayer in school and I think it should be up to the schools, you know, what religion they belong and what direction they want to go,"

Admittedly, it's hard to interpet, but from that I'd get the idea that his conceptualization of prayer in schools is allowing students to pray as they desire, regardless of religion, and even that being up to the individual school district.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-08-28 06:12am

I think it will be interesting to see how much support he gets north of Sacramento, Im betting he will win So Cal, but up NOrth might be Bustamante country.

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