How can you guys...

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-09-25 01:13am

And the use of the term "laser" in Star Wars (Han: "That wasn't a laser blast, something hit us!") is of course a holdover slang term from the glory days when energy weapons were first introduced and the concept of "laser" mant new, fascinating things that could destroy stuff.

Of course, today, we have these things--

the term "phone" came originally from "gramaphone", the funky wax cylinders that were played on crank-powered (clockwork) players with the big bell-horns that were used to project sound. The term got adapted to tele-phone later as anothert type of sound projector.

And let us not forget the "RECORD industry", where artists RE-CORD a new "album" for public consumption.

Then there is "gun", originally "gonne" in the Old English and originally meant to be any sort of cannon or artillery piece but eventually got to be the standard nickname for any firearm, no matter how small.

The unknowing should remember that the more accurate (if vague) term for an energy weapon in the Star Wars universe is actually a "blaster", which denotes properties utterly unlike any L.A.S.E.R. that could be built.

Otrher people's kids!

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-09-25 02:13am

Oh crap, TOWNMNBS has discovered cloneing, and this is the result.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-25 07:04am

TheDarkling wrote:(personally I would say no, most Pro wars shift depending upon what benefits them most at that point in time )

It also about this point I think you deserve a FUCKING good asskicking, put up the fucking proof GODDAMMIT!
I get so fucking pissed when people try to pull BULLSHIT like that.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-09-25 09:14am

Coyote wrote:And the use of the term "laser" in Star Wars (Han: "That wasn't a laser blast, something hit us!") is of course a holdover slang term from the glory days when energy weapons were first introduced and the concept of "laser" mant new, fascinating things that could destroy stuff.

Of course, today, we have these things--

the term "phone" came originally from "gramaphone", the funky wax cylinders that were played on crank-powered (clockwork) players with the big bell-horns that were used to project sound. The term got adapted to tele-phone later as anothert type of sound projector.

And let us not forget the "RECORD industry", where artists RE-CORD a new "album" for public consumption.

Then there is "gun", originally "gonne" in the Old English and originally meant to be any sort of cannon or artillery piece but eventually got to be the standard nickname for any firearm, no matter how small.

The unknowing should remember that the more accurate (if vague) term for an energy weapon in the Star Wars universe is actually a "blaster", which denotes properties utterly unlike any L.A.S.E.R. that could be built.

Otrher people's kids!

Hope you don't mind, but I intend to use this...

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-09-25 08:41pm

You have to remember that the FTL technology is different in SW than in ST my friend. The SW FTL drive was probably designed like that. So their 0.5 past light speed might be Transwarp/Nearly Warp 10 velocity in ST terms. When Tom paris flew the shuttle that made warp 10, the stars went faster and faster, and it looked, surprisingly, like hyperdrive.

Maybe some hyperdrive variant.

It's possible to assume that the SW galaxy did not have warp drive before Hyperdrive. They could have just invented hyperdrive and not discovered dilithium or something.

Nemesis

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 08:51pm

I'm getting really sick of this 'turbolasers are lasers' bullshit. Lasers move at the speed of light, turbos DON'T. That's it! Period! End Program!

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-09-25 08:58pm

We have said it soo many times and it won't get through their thick stupify skulls.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU TREKKIES.....DO YOU READ ANY SCIENCE BOOKS AT ALL???!!!!!!
or are you guys just going blindly saying this is this and that is that b/c GRahme Kennedy or whoever said SO....

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH FROM SCIENCE BOOKS withouT THE HELP FROM OTHER PEOPLE!!!

Cyaround,
Jason

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 09:00pm

IG-88E: Some warsies believe TL's are some sort of energy beam that travels at c (basically a laser) while all intelligent pro trek think other wise.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-25 09:02pm

TheDarkling wrote:IG-88E: Some warsies believe TL's are some sort of energy beam that travels at c (basically a laser) while all intelligent pro trek think other wise.

Edit: All intelligent people think otherwise.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 09:03pm

aaarrrggghhhh, you beat me to it MoO

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 09:06pm

You hear that HDS????

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 09:09pm

Heh.

Ever heard the lyrics to that Song from Three Penny Opera.

"You can knock them on their heads, until they are quite dead, doesn't matter how hard you knock, you'll never knock hard enough.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 09:12pm

some trekkies' skulls can put dents in solid metal

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 09:14pm

Why do you think I always stock lot's of extra frying pans. Cast Iron is cheap man.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 09:43pm

yeah, but they'd need to be made of lead to be really effective

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 10:00pm

To shield one from the radiation, or just for the heavy-ness?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 10:01pm

both

"Turbolasers are lasers!Turbolasers are lasers!Turbolasers are lasers!Turbolasers are-" shotgun blast

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-25 10:06pm

Only a shotgun? I would have gone with a nice
21 Gun Salute!

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 10:09pm

not one for subtelty, are you, Bean?

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-09-25 10:11pm

TheDarkling wrote:You hear that HDS????

:twisted:
:twisted:
:twisted:

Unless I've heard something different HDS has always agreed with the "invisible" part of the ICS quote which means that the invisible lightspeed beam AIN'T a laser. Sure it is an EM wave of some sort but since it is invisible it can't be a laser which occurs only in the visible spectrum.

In other words there IS an invisible portion but it is NOT a laser. As to division of energy between lightspeed beam and tracer there is no evidence to support any conclusion.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-25 10:13pm

thanks for clearing that up......I think

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 10:16pm

I said.

IG-88E: Some warsies believe TL's are some sort of energy beam that travels at c (basically a laser) while all intelligent pro trek think other wise.

Moo said.

Edit: All intelligent people think otherwise.

However HDS buys that an invisable energy beam moving at C does the damage and the other part is simple waste glow or at least thats what he said on the thread that caused he storm out of sb because everyone disagreed with him.

The only diff is that its an em wave not in the visable spectrum apart from that its exactly the same as a laser at least for intent of speed/range etc.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-25 10:29pm

Darkling? I suggest you think long and hard about that if you think GRASERs, XASERS, and so forth are the same as LASERs. And yes, I used caps because they are acronyms, not true words(Though in Wars they are a true word..).

As for dismissing it as fanciful(Especially on such ridiculous terms as 'SB mocked him'), I suggest you read up on the evidence for it.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 10:37pm

I was actually in on the debate and read it in its entirity and as you can see here the great majority say that they arent Laser because we see them and they dont move at C - I agree with both but using the FX fubs to says that the invisable portion moves at C and does the damage seems way off to me based on what I have seen.

Going by the poll on the other thread I think most people believe that its the bolt that does the damage and I agree, also I didnt use SB mocked him as my reasoning - I dont fall for that although it is common in many places that I could name.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-09-25 10:46pm

So really, what we are pretty much coming to is not "could the Federation win a head-to-head crunch-off with the Empire?" or "Does the Federation stand a chance?" but really the question that even the most devoted, intelligent Trekkie has to ask is, "How much would the Federation be able to save/resist before being devoured by the Empire?" Or, "Oh, come on, we wouldn't lose THAT badly!"

But let's face it, the Trek universe is soft and lazy from centuries of cushy, convenience-at-fingertip living. Once the Empire took over, and folks found that life under the Coruscant thumb really wasn't so harsh, would they REALLY rise up and engage in guerrilla resistance? I doubt it. Imperial occupation was fairly light, Han Solo and numerous others walk around openly carrying weapons, Jabba (known gangster) is able to ambulate about with henchmen and no hinderance from stormtroopers... The Empire only gets heavy handed when resistance and rebellion crop up. The Trek people would catch on to this quickly and adopt easily to their new masters-- 'peace at any cost'. The handful of ballsy types are already in the Maquis, but they would be a joke for the Empire.

Probably, in reality, there woiuld be no battle! All these combat scenarios are for naught! The Federation would probably just let themselves be incorporated into the Empire in the interests of peace... and the hawks in StarFleet would see the power to beat the Borg and Romulans into submission in a weekend.

jegs2: Be my guest...