Finally saw 2001:ASO for the first time...

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-01 01:54am

I don't get why it's a "hard to understand movie" because it has long amounts of nothing between really basic plot elements. You still have the same plot without 45 minutes of music... except that the movie is 45 minutes shorter.

Lack of bombs doesn't make a boring movie. Even the most empty-headed Independence Day (ugh) will hate if I add extremely long sequences of nothing between the mass-destruction scenes.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-09-01 01:56am

Slartibartfast wrote:Lack of bombs doesn't make a boring movie.

It's not the bomb that counts, but the explosion.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-09-01 02:30am

Alyeska wrote: I don't fucking see how people can call it artistic and fun to watch 30 minutes of a fucking shuttle docking with a station. I want PLOT, I want it to get to the point. Fuck, I never did see the whole movie through it was so fucking borring.

Mostly it's because I like the music.

Same scene with different music and I'd likely be saying it's boring as hell. Plus I haven't seen it that often because I don't much care for the movie as a whole.

You know what's funny. I've long associated ST:TMP with 2001 because it always felt like they were trying to make a real science fiction film based around ST. It certainly is mostly of the same style. Long visual effect scenes, long glimpses of how huge space is.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-01 02:33am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Lack of bombs doesn't make a boring movie.
It's not the bomb that counts, but the explosion.

If your movie is only about explosions, make sure every single bit of it is filled with explosions, or other action stuff, but don't leave blanks. Even boring explaining and technobabble is better than 10 minutes of doing nothing.

I don't mind the "slow" scenes on 2001 where people are talking or stuff, but really, watching kaleidoskope effects for 30 minutes IS dull. Even parts where they show off the artificial gravity walking on that tube-like thingy was too long by current standards, but it's not exactly unbearable.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-01 02:33am

I tried to watch 2001 all the way through. Honestly, I really did. But I gave up after like 30min cause it was just boring me silly.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-01 02:38am

I too always stop watching after the monolith signal thingy (all the stuff with the "commercial" space station is sorta cool, but the rest of the movie is too slow). At some point, I change channels back and I'm at the part where HAL gets all murderous, and I enjoy myself a bit (I get slightly bored at the parts where it takes Dave 10 silent minutes to just drift into space to find a dead body, then 10 minutes to get back...), but again I turn off the damn thing when they start with the acid trip.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-09-01 03:05am

I like it when things happen in space and there's no sound. Realism is pretty much taboo in sci-fi, as it has always been.

Simpsons parody of old sci-fi: "Look out! Space air! Quick, use your goggles!"

And I really like it when Dave has that look and says, "I don't know what you're talking about, HAL."

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-09-01 03:22am

It's rather hard to appreciate why there are such long space shots. Up until that point everything in scifi was a saucer or a V-2 knockoff that had a little gas flame coming out the back. The intricate docking maneuvers and images of Jupiter and moons were insanely advanced for that time period. It would be nice for someone to reedit the movie into something watchable by people who won't be awed by the supurb special effects anymore. It's time as an exhibit for the proper use of models in a movie is over.

On the other hand, if one says it was a lousy movie because it had no discernable plot, they are just stupid.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-09-01 03:41am

UltraViolence83 wrote:I like it when things happen in space and there's no sound. Realism is pretty much taboo in sci-fi, as it has always been.

Simpsons parody of old sci-fi: "Look out! Space air! Quick, use your goggles!"

And I really like it when Dave has that look and says, "I don't know what you're talking about, HAL."

That reminds me of when Homer was an astornaut and he got potato chips all over the inside of the shuttle. His way of handling it was great, including the final "docking" maneuver between him and the last chip. Right before he crashed into the antfarm.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-09-01 03:54am

"Quick! Protect the Queen!"
"Which one's the Queen?"
"I'm the Queen!"
"No you're not."

"FREEDOM! HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE FREEDOM!!!"