Should the RIAA/MPAA be able to dictate....

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-09-03 04:05pm

I was thinking of say taking my legitmate bought copy of say Matrix reloaded CD and Mp3'ing it so I can listen to it in my car,They say that is illegal,I say Why? I bought the damn thing it's not like I am gonna re-sell it or anything.

Same goes for If I want to backup a copy of say Lord of the two towers to a divx copy because I want to watch it on my laptop that lacks a dvd player,It is my property,Yet they say that is illegal why should they have any say what I do with my property after I paid them for it?

This is not a piracy thing,I just took two examples of some stuff from my media collection.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-09-03 04:22pm

You are fully within your rights to make copies of whatever media you own, provided that they are for your own use and you will not distribute them nor make any profit. It's law, I'm no lawyer so I can't name the specific statute or case, but rest assured that it is your right.

Copy-protection is, incidentally, illegal... but the field of electronic 'crime' is so new and so ill-defined that no one is in a position to make a truly informed decision--at least no one who has the authority to do so. It's sort of like the problem with gaming and violence, certain personalities do not believe that videa games deserve the same kind of first amendment protection afforded to other media, largely because they are ignorant and stuck in the days when Tetris and Pong were cutting edge. Games can now express a concept, as the ignorant themselves admit when they attempt to shut them down; if they think that video games can compel a child to kill, why is it inconcievable that it might communicate other emotions?

But I digress, end rant.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-09-03 04:27pm

What do you care Laird? They can't touch you anyways since you're in a different country. You could outright offer it to download for free and they can't do shit to you. Now your government on the other hand....

Even IF you resided in the US, they couldn't do anything to you since what you're talking about is covered in the fair use clause of the copyright act. As long as you don't share it or try to mass-produce it, you're covered.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-03 05:08pm

If it's for my own use, then what's the big problem? In fact, I did make copies of about 5 of my CDs for when I went to Japan, so that I wouldn't have to worry about losing them. Since I didn't lose them, I have continued to use my copied versions, so as to extend the life of the originals.

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-09-03 05:13pm

Vertigo1 wrote:What do you care Laird? They can't touch you anyways since you're in a different country. You could outright offer it to download for free and they can't do shit to you. Now your government on the other hand....

Even IF you resided in the US, they couldn't do anything to you since what you're talking about is covered in the fair use clause of the copyright act. As long as you don't share it or try to mass-produce it, you're covered.

Oh just cause some arsehole friend of mine almost had a cow when I showed him how to backup dvd movies to divx.(He works for an anti-piracy company.)

When I showed him the rules of backup/free use he just scoffed.

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-09-03 05:27pm

It's called drawing blood from a stone. What's the point of them going after you?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-03 06:22pm

You can make copies for personal use, but don't be a fucking idiot and put the files in a folder used for file sharing...

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-09-03 07:24pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You can make copies for personal use, but don't be a fucking idiot and put the files in a folder used for file sharing...

Duh! I'm not stupid...

I was just using those as an example....we had like a 2 hour arguement of why I should be allowed to use it for my own personal use.
Like stated above.

I have an older laptop that can easily play a divx copy of a movie,Yet lacks a dvd player.

Seeing as I bought the material and wish to watch it just in a diffrent formatt,Why can't I?

My friend shares the RIAA/MPAA view on that subject.

Who was the putz who voted "No"?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-03 07:42pm

Laird wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You can make copies for personal use, but don't be a fucking idiot and put the files in a folder used for file sharing...
Duh! I'm not stupid...

I was just using those as an example....we had like a 2 hour arguement of why I should be allowed to use it for my own personal use.
Like stated above.

I have an older laptop that can easily play a divx copy of a movie,Yet lacks a dvd player.

Seeing as I bought the material and wish to watch it just in a diffrent formatt,Why can't I?

My friend shares the RIAA/MPAA view on that subject.

Who was the putz who voted "No"?

I thought it was you, to be honest.

I think you are allowed by law to transfer stuff you've bought to different media for your use.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-09-03 07:51pm

if i've bought it, then its mine. If i want to use a dvd disk as a frisbe i can, if i want to stick a dvd disk up my ass i can, and if i want to copy the file onto my computer i can.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-09-03 09:22pm

From another thread dealing with this very same topic, I posted this:

According to this comment made on the Slashdot website, it sounds like the RIAA doesn't have a leg to stand on:

Quote:
Contrary to what the RIAA wants you to believe, it appears that making a copy of an audio recording may be perfectly legal in the US, even if you don't own the original recording, as long as it is for noncommercial purposes. The reason for this is the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA).

Since 1992, the U.S. Government has collected a tax on all digital audio recorders and blank digital audio media manufactured in or imported into the US, and gives the money directly to the RIAA companies, which is distributed as royalties to recording artists, copyright owners, music publishers, and music writers:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html
[cornell.edu]

In exchange for those royalties, a special exemption to the copyright law was made for the specific case of audio recordings, and as a result *ALL* noncommercial copying of musical recordings by consumers is now legal in the US, regardless of media:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1008.html
[cornell.edu]

"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."

The intent of Congress was clear when this law was passed

http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyrigh ... /0018.html
[cni.org]

From House Report No. 102-873(I), September 17, 1992:

"In the case of home taping, the [Section 1008] exemption protects all noncommercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings."

From House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992:

"In short, the reported legislation [Section 1008] would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use."

Therefore, when you copy an MP3 the royalties have already been paid for with tax dollars in accordance with the law. If you are a musician whose recordings are publicly distributed, then you are entitled to your share of these royalties by filing a claim under Section 1006

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1006.html
[cornell.edu]

Napster tried to use this law to defend their case, and the court ruled this law did not apply to them because they are a commercial company. But as a consumer it seems to me you are perfectly within your rights when you make a copy for noncommercial private use.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-03 09:39pm

BOOYAH!

Post by **Edi** » 2003-09-04 01:48am

Laird wrote:
Vertigo1 wrote:What do you care Laird? They can't touch you anyways since you're in a different country. You could outright offer it to download for free and they can't do shit to you. Now your government on the other hand....

Even IF you resided in the US, they couldn't do anything to you since what you're talking about is covered in the fair use clause of the copyright act. As long as you don't share it or try to mass-produce it, you're covered.
Oh just cause some arsehole friend of mine almost had a cow when I showed him how to backup dvd movies to divx.(He works for an anti-piracy company.)

When I showed him the rules of backup/free use he just scoffed.

Frankly, your friend is a fuckwit. Maybe not all the time and in all regards, but in this regard he's a Grade-A Moronic Fucktard. As the others pointed out, his argument is full of shit.

Edi

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-04 01:53am

Laird wrote:My friend shares the RIAA/MPAA view on that subject.

Your friend is obviously a grade-A moron who doesn't understand that copyright is limited by "fair use" legislation. Not only does fair use legislation limit the scope of copyright, but it also nullifies any anti-copying provisions in end-user contract agreements (for the simple reason that any provision of a contract which violates the law is unenforceable).

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-04 02:33am

Fair use; backups OK by law, just don't pirate it.

The law seems to overide what the RIAA/MPA can dictate...Even though they will try.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-09-05 12:16am

Yeah, the only problem is whether it conflicts with the DMCA (which is bullshit to the max).

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-09-05 12:22am

*reads the thread's first post; responds (cover your ears)*

Hell the FUCK NO!!!

And I'll be damned if I let fair use be rescinded.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-05 12:28am

Vertigo1 wrote:Yeah, the only problem is whether it conflicts with the DMCA (which is bullshit to the max).

Fuck the DMCA, the Audio Home Recording Act pretty much nullifies it, pity the courts don't believe so

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-05 01:08am

Luckily for me, there is no DMCA in Canada.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-09-05 05:16pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:Fuck the DMCA, the Audio Home Recording Act pretty much nullifies it, pity the courts don't believe so

Hell, even the fair use clause pretty much contradicts most of the DMCA as it is....thus trumping it. (and will continue to do so until its nulled if I understand laws correctly.)

My major beef with the DMCA is that it grants anyone to sue anyone just for shits 'n giggles. All you have to do is walk into a court saying "so and so violated my copyright!" and you get to sepeona them on the spot. That is NOT RIGHT! What's the point of privacy acts if you can just fordge documents claiming Joe Schmoe violated your copyright, and then steal their identity and screw them over?

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-05 05:26pm

Darth Wong wrote:Luckily for me, there is no DMCA in Canada.

We all know your government's enlightened. Damn you Laura Secord!

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-09-06 12:40am

You paid for it, and it's not like you're trying to sell it. Therefore, there is no problem with making a copy for yourself.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-06 12:48am

Vorlon1701 wrote: We all know your government's enlightened.

Nope, just different types of idiots.

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