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Laurel Man Shoots Suspected Car Thieves, Kills One
Posted - September 03, 2003 5:34pm




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Laurel (AP) - A 16-year-old boy is dead and a 23-year-old man has been wounded after they were shot by a man who told police they were breaking into his car.

The shooting happened at about 2:30 this morning at the Fox Rest apartments in Laurel.

A resident tells police he was awakened by his car alarm and saw two people trying to break into his SUV. Police say the man took a gun outside and confronted the alleged car thieves and shot them both. The 16-year-old died at the scene and the 23-year-old was taken to a hospital, where he's listed in critical condition.

The shooter is in police custody and is being questioned. Police say there's a strong possibility he will be released. Police recovered a weapon in the parking lot that they believe belongs to the two men.

State's Attorney Glenn Ivey says he understands how people feel when their cars are stolen because he's an auto theft victim himself. But he says it's inappropriate to use deadly force.
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Hehehe, another example of evil guns and their destruction of law and order!
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You know, killing some one for breaking into your SUV while it sits in the driveway seems to me to be a bit extreme.
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Stormbringer wrote:You know, killing some one for breaking into your SUV while it sits in the driveway seems to me to be a bit extreme.
I guess its a Texas thing,in the past steal a horse you`re killed,today steal a car same thing. :?
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I saw some show where some guy was not making his payments on his truck in Texas. When the bank ordered it reposessed , the guy shot at the repo team. They said no charges would be filed. WTF?

So in Texas you can shoot at someone who is taking property YOU DO NOT OWN? :roll:
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Montcalm wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:You know, killing some one for breaking into your SUV while it sits in the driveway seems to me to be a bit extreme.
I guess its a Texas thing,in the past steal a horse you`re killed,today steal a car same thing. :?
As far as I know, horse thieving is still punishable by hanging here in Texas.

Where was the guy shooting (ie, aiming at what body part) at when he was defending his property?
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Didn't they say they found a weapon that most likely belonged to one of the carjackers?!? WTF?!? I'd be aiming for their hearts if they had a gun trained on my ass.
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EmperorMing wrote: As far as I know, horse thieving is still punishable by hanging here in Texas.

Where was the guy shooting (ie, aiming at what body part) at when he was defending his property?
He was chasing them from another car shooting as they drove away. So he really was not aiming at any paticular body part, but shooting in public like that should get you jailed for life.

What property was he defending? He did not pay for the truck, its not his. It is the LEGAL PROPERTY OF THE LIEN HOLDER. That is was gets my dander up. It is one thing to shoot an intruder, another to shoot at people for taking something you didnt pay for.
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TrailerParkJawa wrote:
EmperorMing wrote: As far as I know, horse thieving is still punishable by hanging here in Texas.

Where was the guy shooting (ie, aiming at what body part) at when he was defending his property?
He was chasing them from another car shooting as they drove away. So he really was not aiming at any paticular body part, but shooting in public like that should get you jailed for life.

What property was he defending? He did not pay for the truck, its not his. It is the LEGAL PROPERTY OF THE LIEN HOLDER. That is was gets my dander up. It is one thing to shoot an intruder, another to shoot at people for taking something you didnt pay for.
Shooting on the road? He should be charged for that alone.

Now the thing about the vehicle being repossessed, if they had to go on his property to get it, then they *could* be in the wrong. Might vary form state to state or via current laws...
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EmperorMing wrote:
Shooting on the road? He should be charged for that alone.

Now the thing about the vehicle being repossessed, if they had to go on his property to get it, then they *could* be in the wrong. Might vary form state to state or via current laws...
Well, this was in Texas. So I wonder if you need to have a law on the books to allow recovery of the banks property when it is on his property. I dunno, you make a good point. The truck no longer belongs to him, so you could make a case he is not a thief. But at that point who has legal jurisdiction to recover it. I think the Sheriff would without question, but a private repo team is another matter.
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Stormbringer wrote:You know, killing some one for breaking into your SUV while it sits in the driveway seems to me to be a bit extreme.
Yeah, breaking their legs seems more appropriate to me... :twisted:
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I guess its a Texas thing,in the past steal a horse you`re killed,today steal a car same thing
IT WAS IN MARYLAND!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 3Sep3.html
Man Who 'Had Enough' Kills Suspect
Md. Resident Opens Fire on Group Police Said Was Stealing SUV

By Jamie Stockwell and Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 4, 2003; Page A01

It happened at 2:30 yesterday morning. Glenn R. Ellis said an alarm alerted him that someone was tampering with his blue 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe, parked outside his Laurel apartment. Like other residents of the Fox Rest complex, Ellis said later, he has been a victim of thieves before. This time, he said, he "had had enough."

Ellis, 37, a tow truck driver, said he grabbed his 9mm Ruger handgun and rushed outside. "Things just went crazy," he recalled. He said he opened fire on four young men who were near his SUV. Police said later that the four were in the process of stealing it. Two were standing next to the Tahoe and the other two were in it when Ellis pulled the trigger.
I'd say that's pretty fucking definite car thieves there, being inside your
own damned truck when you run outside.
Ernest Sockwell, 16, was killed. A 23-year-old man, whom police declined to identify, was hospitalized in critical condition.
Excellent! Don't rip off a man's ride! :twisted:
Two other men, who were uninjured, were questioned by police and released while the investigation continues.

Ellis was questioned by Prince George's County homicide detectives for hours yesterday, then was released pending the outcome of the investigation. Late in the afternoon, he stood outside his apartment, in the 13800 block of Briarwood Drive. He stood not far from where the blood had spilled, and he spoke slowly, appearing to fight back tears.

"My biggest regret is for the families of the two kids," said Ellis, wearing pressed tan slacks and a brown dress shirt. Friends and supporters stood with him. "One is dead, and one is fighting for his life. If I could do things over again, I would."

Ellis said he had installed a device in his Tahoe that alerts an alarm company by wireless signal if the vehicle is tampered with. The alarm company then pages Ellis to warn him.

"The pager went off," Ellis said. "It tells me that something was in my truck. I came out, and things just went crazy."

A county police spokesman, Cpl. Joe Merkel, said such devices "can be very useful in helping to notify potential victims that a crime is being committed." He said, however, that victims should call the police. "We would not recommend the victim confront the suspect," Merkel said.
Hey stupid fucknut cop, if you WERE DOING YOUR FUCKING JOBS,
NO CRIME WOULD HAVE OCCURED.
It was unclear yesterday whether Ellis shouted a warning to the four young men. Police said he has a permit for the gun.
Yeah, right. A permit, my ass. All you need to own a handgun in maryland
is to pass a background check by the state police and be 21.
"I don't want to say too much," Ellis said after arriving home from police headquarters. "I need to get a lawyer."
Smart man.
Ellis, who works for the D.C. Department of Public Works, said he lives at the complex with his girlfriend and his three children. He did not elaborate on his decision to open fire but voiced regret.

"I feel bad," he said. "I have a 16-year-old. I'm crushed about this."

According to police, two of the suspected thieves fled in the Tahoe after the shots were fired, and another fled on foot and was apprehended later. Sockwell was found on the parking lot pavement. The two who were in the vehicle stopped at an Extra Mart at Fort Meade Road and Ethel Drive in Anne Arundel County, where they called authorities, because one of them had been wounded.
Uh hum. So you're driving away in a car you don't own? Uh..."suspected"
car theives, my ass. They're CONFIRMED car thieves.
Police said none of the suspected thieves had a weapon. Police said a screwdriver was found on the ground near where the Tahoe had been parked outside Ellis's apartment.
Hey, if a wallet is enough for a bunch of pigs to shoot a guy 49 times,
then a screwdriver is enough to waste a car thief.
State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said the case would be reviewed by his office after detectives complete the investigation. He said that it was unclear whether Ellis acted in self-defense and that it was "premature to talk in those terms."

"We want to make sure the facts are in, and then we will make a legal decision," he said. "We want to be careful not to rush to judgment. We want to make sure we are very deliberate in how we handle it."

In the interview, Ellis did not say whether he believed his life was in danger.

Robert C. Bonsib, a defense lawyer and former prosecutor, said a person is allowed under the law to use a reasonable amount of force to defend his property but "not deadly force."

"If it was strictly a man defending his property, then it may very well be an issue of whether it was proper" to shoot, he said. "Jury instructions for this type of case say that you may not use deadly force to defend your property or to prevent someone from interfering with your property. Was there something that happened that put the shooter in reasonable fear for his life and that it would justify this level of force? [That] is what will have to be answered."

Many residents of the apartment building said yesterday that the shootings were the culmination of months of frustration and anger over a spate of break-ins and auto thefts in the community.

Andrea Harris, 37, a Fox Rest resident, said: "Everybody is alert because of concerns of recent break-ins. Their apartments and cars are being broken into."
WHERE WERE THE FUCKING COPS WHEN ALL THESE BREAKINS AND
THEFTS WERE HAPPENING? IF YOU DID YOUR FUCKING JOBS THEN
PEOPLE WOULDN'T FEEL THE FUCKING NEED TO WASTE THIEVES!
But authorities cautioned the residents to call 911 if they see crimes in progress.

"We are all frustrated over the number of cars stolen in the county," Police Chief Melvin C. High said through a spokeswoman yesterday. "We need the help of our citizens to put a stop to this crime, but not at the expense of that citizen putting himself or herself in harm's way. . . . We encourage citizens to call and let us handle the situation if they can, rather than resort to violence on their own."
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Prince George's ranks first in the state and in the region for auto thefts, with more than 15,000 vehicles stolen last year, according to department statistics. Slightly more than 10,000 vehicles have been stolen since January, a 17 percent increase over the same period last year.

In comparison, slightly less than 8,000 vehicles were reported stolen in the District in 2001, the most recent figures available, and about 700 were reported in Fairfax County that year.

The high rate in Prince George's has taken on greater significance in the wake of yesterday's shootings, said Ivey, whose office has focused in recent months on educating residents about vehicle anti-theft devices.

"Clearly, we know that auto theft is a major problem," he said. "Many people have been victimized, including me, and I know how frustrating it can be to have your car stolen. But as a community, we need to be careful not to overreact. We need to be careful how we address this problem."

Staff writer Darragh Johnson and staff researcher Bobbye Pratt contributed to this report.
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Either way, for good or bad, incidents like these *should* make criminals think twice about commiting a crime as a potential victim could put the hurt on them...
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The PG county police chief should have said:

"We don't want citizens taking matters into their own
hands because it takes all the good killings away from us."

GhostRider should know about this and PG county's
abmysal human rights record :twisted:
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MKSheppard wrote:GhostRider should know about this and PG county's
abmysal human rights record :twisted:
And you think murderous, abusive cops are something to be proud of? Damn, you're a fucked up human being Shep. :roll:
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Stormbringer wrote: And you think murderous, abusive cops are something to be proud of? Damn, you're a fucked up human being Shep. :roll:
I see the humour sailed right over your fucking head, like the fucking "genius" you are. PG County is a gigantic joke to us in the Washington
DC area, hence the twisted smiley.
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That I will agree with...PG County in many ways has some abyssmal law enforcement(and has had some occurences of abuse that make Rodney King look light), that makes the worst part of DC look happy and shiny.
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Ghost Rider wrote:That I will agree with...PG County in many ways has some abyssmal law enforcement(and has had some occurences of abuse that make Rodney King look light), that makes the worst part of DC look happy and shiny.
Oh yes, my favorite one was when a bunch of PG Cops came upon a black
woman in a locked car suffering an epileptic seizure.

So what was their solution?

Draw their guns, and fire repeatedly at the woman through the glass.

Yes. Repeatedly. :shock:
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Another charming incident was when a PG cop tied a suspect up to a light
pole, and then sicced a K9 onto the tied up suspect. :shock:

I've taken to calling the PG County Police "The Black Man killing the Black Man...legally!" since PG county is one of the most affluent majority black
counties in America, and thusly, the police department is also mostly
black...now...what does THAT tell us? :roll:
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Uh...... What happened to the cops???
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GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Uh...... What happened to the cops???
You mean from the horror stories I posted? They got administrative suspensions with Pay i think.
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In other words paid vacation? Nice.....
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MKSheppard wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:That I will agree with...PG County in many ways has some abyssmal law enforcement(and has had some occurences of abuse that make Rodney King look light), that makes the worst part of DC look happy and shiny.
Oh yes, my favorite one was when a bunch of PG Cops came upon a black
woman in a locked car suffering an epileptic seizure.

So what was their solution?

Draw their guns, and fire repeatedly at the woman through the glass.

Yes. Repeatedly. :shock:[/quote

:shock: WTF they shot an epileptic,what does it requiredto be a cop in that area a lobotomy. :?
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Montcalm wrote: :shock: WTF they shot an epileptic,what does it requiredto be a cop in that area a lobotomy. :?
Apparently. Which is why I have a sore spot for police shootings on the
flimsiest of excuses and how they keep telling us peons that we shouldn't
take the law into our own hands and just to call them :roll:
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