Are you a neoconservative? [Quiz]

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-09-04 09:40am

Darth Wong wrote:The mere fact that they use the term "realist" rather than the more accurate term "pragmatist" indicates that the people who created this poll are obviously playing favourites. The term "realist" implies that everyone else is being delusional.

Don't blame the poll. "Realist" is the recognized name of the pragmatist school of thought in political science. It was coined to describe a school of thought in contrast to "idealist" foreign policies. Since then, we've developed finer distinctions between the various idealist foreign policies, some of which are quite realistic if not pragmatic, but the name "realist" has stuck as a description of pragmatism for convenience's sake.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-09-04 09:52am

Liberal

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-04 10:15am

Realist?? WTF?? I'd rather describe myself as what Americans call a "liberal", even though I don't subscribe to any ideology per se. (and definately not liberalism in its original incarnation!)

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-04 11:30am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Realist?? WTF?? I'd rather describe myself as what Americans call a "liberal", even though I don't subscribe to any ideology per se. (and definately not liberalism in its original incarnation!)

Again, this is based on foreign-policy only. Liberal domestic policy does not neccessarily imply liberal foreign policy.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-04 11:30am

RedImperator wrote:Don't blame the poll. "Realist" is the recognized name of the pragmatist school of thought in political science. It was coined to describe a school of thought in contrast to "idealist" foreign policies. Since then, we've developed finer distinctions between the various idealist foreign policies, some of which are quite realistic if not pragmatic, but the name "realist" has stuck as a description of pragmatism for convenience's sake.

Indeed. Realism (maximal, minimal or in between) doesn't imply that it's any more "real" than another - it's just a name.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-09-04 11:52am

I came out a realist. Though I was torn on a couple of answers and had I gone with the other choice, I suspect I would have come out neoconservative.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-04 02:18pm

phongn wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:Realist?? WTF?? I'd rather describe myself as what Americans call a "liberal", even though I don't subscribe to any ideology per se. (and definately not liberalism in its original incarnation!)
Again, this is based on foreign-policy only. Liberal domestic policy does not neccessarily imply liberal foreign policy.

Phew. Ever since I went rabidly Communist, then rabidly Libertarian for a period and then fell out from that, my political leaning have been kinda hard to classify...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-04 03:08pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Liberals- bah! Imperialism is what made this nation great! Historic ventures in Vietnam, the Phillipines, and Africa all served to extend the great American empire to the very edges of the globe!

You know, you sound like a 40 year old guy, not a snot-nosed teenager

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-09-04 09:08pm

Realist.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-09-04 09:27pm

Stupid fucking test. The answers were stupid, restrictive and almost never represented my true view (especially for NK).

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-09-04 09:34pm

neoconservative

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-09-06 12:19am

Based on your answers, you are most likely a liberal.

I enjoyed the Iran question, seeing how I'm currently reading Christine Bird's travelogue Neither East nor West

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-09-06 12:34am

I'm most likely a... Liberal? WTF is their scoring system smoking?

* Are wary of American arrogance and hypocrisy
Definitely.

* Trace much of today's anti-American hatred to previous US foreign policies.
Well, they haven't helped much...

* Believe political solutions are inherently superior to military solutions
Not always... but they're worth a shot.

* Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises
No!

* Oppose American imperialism
Of course.

* Support international law, alliances, and agreements
To a point.

* Encourage US participation in the UN
No.

* Believe US economic policies must help lift up the world's poor
Hell no!

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-09-06 04:21pm

Liberal
Liberals…

Are wary of American arrogance and hypocrisy

Trace much of today's anti-American hatred to previous US foreign policies.

Believe political solutions are inherently superior to military solutions

Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises

Oppose American imperialism

Support international law, alliances, and agreements

Encourage US participation in the UN

Believe US economic policies must help lift up the world's poor

Historical liberal: President Woodrow Wilson
Modern liberal: President Jimmy Carte

That's about right.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-09-06 04:53pm

Anyone notice the liberals are not in very good company? Woodrow Wilson's and Jimmy Carter's foreign policies are not exactly worth emulating....

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-09-06 06:52pm

Liberal