Vorlons the Alpha Quadrent powers

The Divine Shadow · Post by **The Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-25 04:50pm

What would hapen if the Vorlons were to get pissed off at the Federation and the other AQ powers and start a war with them?

Who would win?

I'd vote for the Vorlons

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-09-25 05:58pm

hrm, well the vorlons have a speed advantage, industrial advantage, telepathic advantage.

But they lack firepower, and defensive system advantages. I think in the end, they would destroy the alpha quadrant, using telepathic munipulation, and other strengths.

For all we know, the AQ powers might not be able to traverse vorlon space, it might be too large

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-09-25 06:36pm

Yes, but what about hyperspace? Can the Federation even enter it? I doubt it and the Vorlons can just travel in hyperspace, pop out and use their planet killers, pop back in, and move on to their next target.

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-25 06:37pm

I disagree with you only on one point.

But they lack firepower, and defensive system advantages.

In ITF, the 500 MT nukes were used on the Shadows, and Babtech puts the energy absorbed at 60 MT. Now just for the sake of the argument, and the fact that I don't want to start a side argument, let's just say that the BC was destroyed.

Let's examine how the BC was destroyed: It's legs were blown off and its main hull was sent spinning off INTACT and still maintain its jet black exterior

Now in Interludes and examinations, 3 seconds of fire from a Vorlon Shuttle/ Dreadnought (I forget which) not only destroyed the BC. but rapidly heats up the hull of the ship AND causes it to explode

Now which one do you think requires more energy:

1) Blasting off the legs and sending the BC out of control without much heating to the hull INTACT

2) Basting off the legs and ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING the main hull, and superheating the hull.

Option number 2 obviously requires more energy than option number 1. Therefore, Vorlon Dreadnoughts/ transports have an power output no less than 20 MT per second

As I recall, Mike's calcs put the Federation Shields at 48 MT. Feddie shileds will be down quickly after the start of a battle, and we all know what happens when feddies lose their shields....

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-25 07:12pm

Being a fiver, the Vorlons rape the Alpha Quadrant.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-09-25 07:35pm

The Vorlons are destroyed. Their ships could not withstand a photon torpedo.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-09-25 10:37pm

Shadow WarChief wrote:I disagree with you only on one point.

But they lack firepower, and defensive system advantages.

In ITF, the 500 MT nukes were used on the Shadows, and Babtech puts the energy absorbed at 60 MT. Now just for the sake of the argument, and the fact that I don't want to start a side argument, let's just say that the BC was destroyed.

Let's examine how the BC was destroyed: It's legs were blown off and its main hull was sent spinning off INTACT and still maintain its jet black exterior

Now in Interludes and examinations, 3 seconds of fire from a Vorlon Shuttle/ Dreadnought (I forget which) not only destroyed the BC. but rapidly heats up the hull of the ship AND causes it to explode

Now which one do you think requires more energy:

1) Blasting off the legs and sending the BC out of control without much heating to the hull INTACT

2) Basting off the legs and ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING the main hull, and superheating the hull.

Option number 2 obviously requires more energy than option number 1. Therefore, Vorlon Dreadnoughts/ transports have an power output no less than 20 MT per second

As I recall, Mike's calcs put the Federation Shields at 48 MT. Feddie shileds will be down quickly after the start of a battle, and we all know what happens when feddies lose their shields....

just a question, babtech is official? if not, i don't believe 60mt's at all, it sounds nearly impossible for it to have taken that much energy from the blast

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-09-25 10:49pm

I also don't agree with the 60 MT figure for the amount of energy absorbed by the Shadow vessel in "ItF". At a distance of 5 kilometers (might be a little high, not sure offhand) the intensity of the initial EM-burst of the nuke would be 6.67e9 J/m^2, which didn't seem to outright destroy the SV in question. As with the Black Star, it was not until the subsequent shockwave (composed of the asteroid the nuke was mounted on) that any visible change/damage is observed. If we say the surface area facing the nuke was a 1 km long, 30 meter tall area (my very rough approxiamation of a Shadow vessel's side profile) we get a total impacted area of 2.001e14 J, or roughly 47.8 kT. That is a far cry from 60 MT of the nuke's energy, but as with the Black Star this is the amount of energy the ship in question took and suffered no damage from. The subsequent shockwave either knocked off a few spines, or the SV in question changed course as the nuke detonated to avoid any real damage.

Heh, how did he get 60 MT? Goes to check...

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-09-26 12:51pm

The Vorlon dreadnaught MIGHT stand a chance against a shuttle craft

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-26 01:18pm

Omega-13 wrote:The Vorlon dreadnaught MIGHT stand a chance against a shuttle craft

You gotta be shittin' me!!!! I will pretend you didnt just say that...

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-09-26 01:57pm

SolidSnake wrote:
Omega-13 wrote:The Vorlon dreadnaught MIGHT stand a chance against a shuttle craft
You gotta be shittin' me!!!! I will pretend you didnt just say that...

Well, a shuttle craft has been shown to take phaser hits and still keep trucking, and vorlons dreadnaughts weapons are in the KT range, if it takes it time to destroy a shadow crab, that was destroyed by KT range energy from the blast in ITB