Episode 3 Speculation

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-05 12:57am

(Started a new thread- no thread necromancy and all!)

Anyone think Obi-Wan has a mechanical limb or two as well? I mean, look at the condition of Anakin in ROTJ. Can you imagine Obi-Wan being in that battle and not even be slightly scarred? Not even a Han Solo cut on the chin?

From what Obi-skin we saw in ANH, (eww...) Obi-Wan could have a huge gash across the torso. He COULD have lost an arm or a leg in that duel. OR...to bring up an OLD theory...can the Obi-Wan we see in ANH be a clone? (Anyone remember the OB-1 stuff?)

Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-05 01:08am

Lord Poe wrote:Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?

When was it said they were in all 3? I missed that one; prior to that I figured it was Quinlan Vos. Another possible one was Durge and the baldheaded freaky force chick being digitally inserted into the battle at the beginning (onboard a coreship bridge) and getting blown to hell.

Upside of ti being Thrawn is it then becomes canon that the Empire has a genius that can kick everyone's ass (but throws some of the EU for a loop again)

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-05 01:09am

Ender wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?
When was it said they were in all 3? I missed that one; prior to that I figured it was Quinlan Vos

Check out the Episode 3 diary (if you're a Hyperspace member)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-05 01:12am

Lord Poe wrote:
Ender wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?
When was it said they were in all 3? I missed that one; prior to that I figured it was Quinlan Vos
Check out the Episode 3 diary (if you're a Hyperspace member)

Ah, never midn then, I'm a cheap bastard, that's how I missed it.

Incidently, were you ever able to grab screen shots of the guys reading the ICSs as a refernce? You mentioned there was a shot of it (and I think they are the book we see in the latest SWI but I can't tell)

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-05 01:17am

Lord Poe wrote: Anyone think Obi-Wan has a mechanical limb or two as well? I mean, look at the condition of Anakin in ROTJ. Can you imagine Obi-Wan being in that battle and not even be slightly scarred? Not even a Han Solo cut on the chin?

If Obi-Wan truly fought with Anakin and then fled, he must have been wounded only superficially if at all; otherwise, he'd be somewhat unable to flee. Aside from that, what condition would he be in to beat Anakin if he were injured? Likewise, once Anakin was badly injured, how would he seriously harm Obi-Wan?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-05 01:34am

Lord Poe wrote:Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?

If Thrawn has been in all three, then so has Garm Bel Iblis, which might be more likely and less of a bad idea...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-05 01:38am

The same could be said for *shudder* Dash Rendar.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-09-05 01:41am

Lord Poe wrote:(Started a new thread- no thread necromancy and all!)

Anyone think Obi-Wan has a mechanical limb or two as well? I mean, look at the condition of Anakin in ROTJ. Can you imagine Obi-Wan being in that battle and not even be slightly scarred? Not even a Han Solo cut on the chin?

From what Obi-skin we saw in ANH, (eww...) Obi-Wan could have a huge gash across the torso. He COULD have lost an arm or a leg in that duel. OR...to bring up an OLD theory...can the Obi-Wan we see in ANH be a clone? (Anyone remember the OB-1 stuff?)

Now the EU character that is to be in Ep3 has been said to have been seen in the novels, comics, and games. The only character I can think of that has been in all three is really Thrawn. Thoughts?

Pablo Helman(the guy who writes the set diaries) said in a chat the other day that the EU character isn't Thrawn.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-05 01:46am

Probably Bel Iblis then. He was in Rebellion, The Thrawn Trilogy comics, and a number of novels. It would fit with being the start of the rebellion.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-05 01:58am

So many better characters to use then Bel Iblis... and I bet they would use the crappy new character design for him too...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-05 02:01am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:So many better characters to use then Bel Iblis... and I bet they would use the crappy new character design for him too...

What new design? All i've ever seen is the old, long gray hair in a ponytail with the Fumanchu mustach hippie look.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-05 02:02am

Bel Iblis was one of the founders of the Rebellion. Since Mon Mothma has already been confirmed and cast (and filmed, IIRC), then it makes sense to include Iblis.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-09-05 04:42am

What about Talon Karrde and his group? Any of them appear in any games?

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-09-05 05:49am

"Afyon", "Drayson", "Borsk Fey'lya", "Tura Raftican", "Bren Derlin", "Garm Bel Iblis", "Talon Karrde", "Narra", "Huoba Neva", "Adar Tallon", "Sarin Virgilio", "Vanden Willard", "Roget Jiriss", "Kaiya Andrimetrum", "Mazer Rackus", "Orrimaarko", "Ma'w'shiye"
"Brandei", "Covell", "Dorja", "Bin Essada", "Niles Ferrier", "Grammel", "Griff", "Klev", "Bane Nothos", "Orlok", "Pellaeon", "Screed", "Thrawn", "Zuggs", "Daala", "Pter Thanas", "Bevel Lemelisk", "Shenir Rix", "Noval Garaint", "Garindan", "Menndo", "Labansat", "Villar"
As I know they are the pure EU characters who appear in the game SW: Rebellion.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-09-05 08:07am

Why couldn't Obi-wan Kenobi be perfectly fine?

After all, he did defeat Anakin Skywalker. Anakin injuries were sustained when he fell in the lava pit. For all we know, we have a de ja vu where Anakin and Obiwan are fighting above some lava pit and Anakin chose to jump off when Padme comns in and say,"Anakin, I don't love you anymore. I want to be with Palpatine."

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-05 09:14am

Actually, I recall reading an early draft for SW where Obi-Wan had several mechanical limbs. However, that idea was later scrapped and used for Darth Vader.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-05 10:28am

Ender wrote:Incidently, were you ever able to grab screen shots of the guys reading the ICSs as a refernce? You mentioned there was a shot of it (and I think they are the book we see in the latest SWI but I can't tell)

I DO have those notes at home. I'll post them later today.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-05 10:31am

Howedar wrote:If Obi-Wan truly fought with Anakin and then fled, he must have been wounded only superficially if at all; otherwise, he'd be somewhat unable to flee. Aside from that, what condition would he be in to beat Anakin if he were injured? Likewise, once Anakin was badly injured, how would he seriously harm Obi-Wan?

From what I'm reading about this fight (on the Ep 3 diary) this is a long, dragged out fight that takes place in several sets. There's NO WAY Obi-Wan comes out unscathed. He MUST have some injuries. Anakin isn't that bad, and Obi-Wan isn't that GOOD.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-05 10:35am

PainRack wrote:Why couldn't Obi-wan Kenobi be perfectly fine?

After all, he did defeat Anakin Skywalker. Anakin injuries were sustained when he fell in the lava pit.

No, not all of them. What about those two huge gashes on Anakin's head and cheek? They can't have a violent fight like this without Obi-Wan getting so much as a hangnail.

For all we know, we have a de ja vu where Anakin and Obiwan are fighting above some lava pit and Anakin chose to jump off when Padme comns in and say,"Anakin, I don't love you anymore. I want to be with Palpatine."

Then he must have bashed his head against his lightsaber several times on the way down...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-05 11:14am

Lord Poe wrote:
Ender wrote:Incidently, were you ever able to grab screen shots of the guys reading the ICSs as a refernce? You mentioned there was a shot of it (and I think they are the book we see in the latest SWI but I can't tell)
I DO have those notes at home. I'll post them later today.

Outstanding

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-05 11:26am

Lord Poe wrote:
Howedar wrote:If Obi-Wan truly fought with Anakin and then fled, he must have been wounded only superficially if at all; otherwise, he'd be somewhat unable to flee. Aside from that, what condition would he be in to beat Anakin if he were injured? Likewise, once Anakin was badly injured, how would he seriously harm Obi-Wan?
From what I'm reading about this fight (on the Ep 3 diary) this is a long, dragged out fight that takes place in several sets. There's NO WAY Obi-Wan comes out unscathed. He MUST have some injuries. Anakin isn't that bad, and Obi-Wan isn't that GOOD.

Yet Obi Wan as a padawan didn't receive a scratch from Darth Maul and you underestimate Anakin's desire to seriously kill his friend. Maybe the fight is a tragic one, with each Jedi trying to really not kill the other. Anakin is fending off Obi Wan and trying to drive him away and Obi Wan is trying to keep Anakin busy while trying to get through to him to return to the light (granted that's unlikely considering what I've been hearing about the duel, that its supposed to be the most kinetic of all the duels in the entire series)

Also you're overlooking GL's statement that the head wound was received in another incident and NOT the duel since he says he's looking for the EU to explain the head wound.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-05 12:33pm

Anyone think Obi-Wan has a mechanical limb or two as well? I mean, look at the condition of Anakin in ROTJ. Can you imagine Obi-Wan being in that battle and not even be slightly scarred? Not even a Han Solo cut on the chin?

No, we would have seen it after Obi-Wan vanishes in ANH.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-09-05 12:51pm

I don't think it's very likely that Obi-Wan has any mechanical replacements. Scars hidden under the robes maybe, but no mechanical replacement parts. When he disappeared in ANH, any mechanical parts should've been left behind (like his clothes and the lightsaber).

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-09-05 03:27pm

Perhaps in a blind rage Anakin runs after Obi-Wan only to get his ass kicked badly (like Anakin getting fryed by Dooku in AOTC). Then with Obi-Wan pressing his advantage Anakin is unable to put up any real offensive until he's finally vanquished.

Or perhaps it's just a stalemate until, by some cruel twist of fate, Anakin falls into the lava.

Stravo wrote:Also you're overlooking GL's statement that the head wound was received in another incident and NOT the duel since he says he's looking for the EU to explain the head wound.

I always pondered if perhaps he got that wound when he fell down the abandoned shaft on Mimban in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I haven't read it, though, so I don't know if they divulge any details of his injuries--if any--from the fall.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-05 04:07pm

Mad wrote:I don't think it's very likely that Obi-Wan has any mechanical replacements. Scars hidden under the robes maybe, but no mechanical replacement parts. When he disappeared in ANH, any mechanical parts should've been left behind (like his clothes and the lightsaber).

Also - there's the obvious fact that we see both of his hands ungloved and they are obviously not mechanical... so he doesn't have any mechanical arms... (not in the final incarnation of the script, that's for certain!)

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