Stravo wrote:Excuse me but if I read this artcle correctly OT is NOT being abolished for the vast majority of American workers. A small minorioty of people working in Restaurant chains (McDonalds?) will be promoted to managerial positions which have always been exempt from OT (AT least in the legal profession and other companies that we've represenented) So, my question is they are trading off the right to OT by making these people managers which usually translates into better benefits and the like. What is the huge hue and outcry about?
Could be I'm guilty of missing the exact figures of how many people are affected, but it doesn't alter the fact that with the new set of rules, they're getting screwed over. Sure, they get promoted, but they can also get their effective pay slashed if the author of the article has been reading the amendments right. Then there's the stuff about people who have learnt their skills in the military possibly losing OT benefits, which is an out and out betrayal, as they've possibly risked their lives for the interests of the country for comparatively little pay and now get stabbed in the back.
I guess it'd be better to actually take a look at the proposed legislation itself to see how it would affect things. But I wouldn't be surprised if the wording is such that it can be stretched outside the restaurant business too. Mind everyone who's saying that this was posted only to slam Bush, I'd have posted a just as vindictive condemnation of a Deomcrat president if this was something proposed by a Democrat administration.
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Darth Wong wrote:Not surprising. Bush is a spoiled rich boy who believes it's very important to pay back the people who got him into power (this idea sounds much more noble when you call it "loyalty").
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Yes, that would be why the left has spent the last 20 years on a campaign to vilify and diminish right-wing thought that was so successful that conservatives - even moderate conservatives - are thought of by many people as an out of touch elite with no right to govern or even attempt to govern the American people.
Oh.
Wait.
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The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, 1787
Yes, that would be why the left has spent the last 20 years on a campaign to vilify and diminish right-wing thought that was so successful that conservatives - even moderate conservatives - are thought of by many people as an out of touch elite with no right to govern or even attempt to govern the American people.
Oh.
Wait.
Or maybe that's why the right has spent the last 20 years on a campaign to vilify and diminish the left wing that was so successful that liberals - even moderate liberals are thought of by many people as a bunch of cold-hearted, hypocritical, bigoted religious fanatics, with no right to govern or even attempt to govern the American people.
Yes, that would be why the left has spent the last 20 years on a campaign to vilify and diminish right-wing thought that was so successful that conservatives - even moderate conservatives - are thought of by many people as an out of touch elite with no right to govern or even attempt to govern the American people.
Oh.
Wait.
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Don't make me laugh. The right wing is beholden to religious extremists for the power it wields. What other than naive idealism makes you believe that those same religious extremists might willingly surrender their grip on power to more reasonable persons?
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Iceberg wrote:
Don't make me laugh. The right wing is beholden to religious extremists for the power it wields. What other than naive idealism makes you believe that those same religious extremists might willingly surrender their grip on power to more reasonable persons?
What, other than naive idealism makes you think that religious extremists are in power when federal courts are enforcing orders to take religious monuments out of courthouses? Or declaring the pledge of allegiance unconstitutional because it has the words "under God" in it? Oh yes! Clear proof that the religious right has an iron-fisted grip on the reins of power. Look out folks! A theocracy is on the way! Get ready for enforced church attendance!
What, other than naive idealism makes you think that leftists are even one jot less corruptible when in power than right wingers?
Perinquus wrote:
What, other than naive idealism makes you think that religious extremists are in power when federal courts are enforcing orders to take religious monuments out of courthouses? Or declaring the pledge of allegiance unconstitutional because it has the words "under God" in it? Oh yes! Clear proof that the religious right has an iron-fisted grip on the reins of power. Look out folks! A theocracy is on the way! Get ready for enforced church attendance!
They don't have control of the government, but they have control of the Republican party. Without the support and money and organization of the religious right, Republicans would not have the power they do. If they had their way, yes we would live in a theocracy. They might not force church attendance (at least not in the first generation) but they would legislate morality, such as proscribing homosexuality.
What, other than naive idealism makes you think that leftists are even one jot less corruptible when in power than right wingers?
The leftists, in general, are not motivated by zealotry. Religious extremism is the most dangerous sort of corruption, because it is discouraged by neither fear nor honor. I would much rather deal with a politician who is greedy and venal than one who is absolutely sure that God wants him to take certain actions.
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Iceberg wrote:
Don't make me laugh. The right wing is beholden to religious extremists for the power it wields.
Who brought religion into Politics? Was it a Republican? No. It was a Dem,
Jimmy Carter. lets all thank HIM for how well THAT turned out
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Darth Wong wrote:Not surprising. Bush is a spoiled rich boy who believes it's very important to pay back the people who got him into power (this idea sounds much more noble when you call it "loyalty").
Let's keep it simple. He's a republican.
~ver
And Democrats have never done a favor for those that help them get elected? Like the unions (which have helped ruin American business), enviro-nuts, or rather shady minority activists like Jesse Jackson and his ilk. Paybacks are a way of political life. The only thing that changes with the party is who they're too.
Darth Wong wrote:Not surprising. Bush is a spoiled rich boy who believes it's very important to pay back the people who got him into power (this idea sounds much more noble when you call it "loyalty").
Let's keep it simple. He's a republican.
~ver
And Democrats have never done a favor for those that help them get elected?
Did I say they didn't? No, it's just that Republicans are more geared towards the rich (which makes this a semi-surprising thing) and are therefore more inclined to help them while Democrats are more inclined to help those not-so-well-off, but it takes longer for that kind of legislation to go through (for what I hope to be obvious reasons).
Like the unions (which have helped ruin American business), enviro-nuts, or rather shady minority activists like Jesse Jackson and his ilk. Paybacks are a way of political life. The only thing that changes with the party is who they're too.
Try not to be so hypocritical.
How am I being hypocritical? I'm not saying that they can't change one way or another, nor am I saying that I cannot..
No, just responded to Mike's rant about Bush giving kickbacks with: "Let's keep it simple. He's republican." As if every presidental since John Adams didn't reward his supporter.
How am I being hypocritical? I'm not saying that they can't change one way or another, nor am I saying that I cannot..
By implying strongly that only Republican's give out kickbacks. Saying he's a republican to some one lamenting political kickbacks looks ridiciulous.
No, just responded to Mike's rant about Bush giving kickbacks with: "Let's keep it simple. He's republican." As if every presidental since John Adams didn't reward his supporter.
My mistake.. I was more responding to the keeping it to the rich thing (even if I misinterpreted it).
How am I being hypocritical? I'm not saying that they can't change one way or another, nor am I saying that I cannot..
By implying strongly that only Republican's give out kickbacks. Saying he's a republican to some one lamenting political kickbacks looks ridiciulous.
I'm not saying they don't.. maybe just that sometimes they need to rethink where they put all their monies.
Nova Andromeda wrote:--The British seem to be able to talk fairly eloquently still....
Because they're not afraid too be witty and sound intellectual. Parliament (or "Congress with a two-drink minimum") is infinitely more entertaining than the mindless droll of Congress.
You also have to remember that in the Westminster system the 'congressmen' form the executive of the government, and are directly answerable to other 'congressmen' for their actions. The government in a Westminster system can be deposed by a hostile house, in theory.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Nova Andromeda wrote:--The British seem to be able to talk fairly eloquently still....
Because they're not afraid too be witty and sound intellectual. Parliament (or "Congress with a two-drink minimum") is infinitely more entertaining than the mindless droll of Congress.
You also have to remember that in the Westminster system the 'congressmen' form the executive of the government, and are directly answerable to other 'congressmen' for their actions. The government in a Westminster system can be deposed by a hostile house, in theory.
*edit* can you imagine Bush having to front to the house of representatives and have to answer questions on his actions and the success or failure of policy?
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
I'm not saying that they can't change one way or another, nor am I saying that I cannot..