Cry me a river, Microshaft.....

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-06 09:09am

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top

M$ is crying because Asia doesn't want to play 'fair'...

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2003-09-06 11:32am

Japan, the world's second-largest economy, made a proposal at an Asian economic summit this week to build an inexpensive and trustworthy open-source operating system that would be based on a system such as Linux, which can be copied and modified freely.

We'd like to see the market decide who the winners are in the software industry," said Tom Robertson, Microsoft's Tokyo-based director for government affairs in Asia. ......."Governments should not be in the position to decide who the winners are"

Total logical disconnect.

The world through the eyes of a maniac:

Japanese government develops an open-source OS = Japanese government is forcing this OS on people

I think there must be something in the Redmond water

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-06 11:36am

There is something to be said about having to compete against a government and whether that is truly fair.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-06 11:38am

We'd like to see the market decide who the winners are in the software industry," said Tom Robertson, Microsoft's Tokyo-based director for government affairs in Asia. ......."Governments should not be in the position to decide who the winners are"

Of course not. It's best to leave that decision in the hands of a monopolistic corporation, which will have the best interests of the people at heart

If Microsoft opened up their secret file formats and network protocols, there might be fair competition. As it is, they're the biggest enemies of open competition out there. Even their proponents will admit that the biggest reason to buy MSOffice is the fact that it can read MSWord files, which is a fine example of "locking in" a market.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-09-06 12:38pm

'Brazil's uppity, but we still have Europe.'

'The EU wants us to open our OS? No way. We'll stick to Asia.'

'Japan said WHAT?!'

Where next, I wonder, will outlaw their BS...

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2003-09-06 01:12pm

god, so finnely M$ is getting the treatment it deserves, thought the giving the gov's the source is insteresting.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-09-06 02:00pm

That's beautiful....

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-09-06 02:03pm

Stravo wrote:There is something to be said about having to compete against a government and whether that is truly fair.

And if Microsoft was a Japanese company, that would mean something.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-06 02:07pm

Stravo wrote:There is something to be said about having to compete against a government and whether that is truly fair.

"Fair competition" and Microsoft are not bedfellows. You personally admit to using MSOffice simply because everyone else does, and you can't afford to use some other package because their file format is secret so you're "locked in". You call that fair competition?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-09-06 02:50pm

SirNitram wrote:'Brazil's uppity, but we still have Europe.'

'The EU wants us to open our OS? No way. We'll stick to Asia.'

'Japan said WHAT?!'

Where next, I wonder, will outlaw their BS...

It'll never happen in the US of A.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-06 03:05pm

If I understand correctly, was it Bill Gates himself who said that there will be 'one' hardware supply house and 'one' software supply house?

Someone told me this once, and it fits with their business practice.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-09-06 06:14pm

EmperorMing wrote:If I understand correctly, was it Bill Gates himself who said that there will be 'one' hardware supply house and 'one' software supply house?

Someone told me this once, and it fits with their business practice.

He did say that his dream was to have a computer on every desk, all running Micrsoft software.

Scary thought indeed.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-06 06:16pm

Shinova wrote:
EmperorMing wrote:If I understand correctly, was it Bill Gates himself who said that there will be 'one' hardware supply house and 'one' software supply house?

Someone told me this once, and it fits with their business practice.
He did say that his dream was to have a computer on every desk, all running Micrsoft software.

Scary thought indeed.

Ambitious and brave, too, to openly declare monopolitic intentions...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-06 06:23pm

That is not a declaration of monopolistic intentions. That is a declaration of hope to be very successful.

Honestly, do you people even think between whining about MS and whining about Bill Gates?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-09-06 07:35pm

Howedar wrote:That is not a declaration of monopolistic intentions. That is a declaration of hope to be very successful.

Every computer, running Microsoft software ONLY.

Honestly, do you people even think between whining about MS and whining about Bill Gates?

We don't have to cause one's still tightly in control of the other.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-09-06 07:50pm

Every computer, running Microsoft software ONLY.

This strikes me as being very silly. If Larry Bowa said his dream was to make everyone into a Phillies fan, we wouldn't interpret it as some evil scheme, we'd interpret it as a sign that Larry Bowa is on crack.

Do you want him to say that he wishes everyone would use Linux? Of course he'll dream of everybody using MS products. The problem lies in the way he goes about pursuing this dream.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-06 08:14pm

Howedar wrote:That is not a declaration of monopolistic intentions. That is a declaration of hope to be very successful.

True. However, he pursued that hope by "de-commoditizing" the market, so as to remove open competition and replace it with essentially closed, locked-in markets. People buy MSOffice because it will read Word files and nobody else can with 100% reliability since the format is indecipherable; this is how he used peoples' own property (their documents) to lock them in as consumers.

Honestly, do you people even think between whining about MS and whining about Bill Gates?

Honestly, do M$ apologists even think before dismissing criticisms of Microsith or its Dark lord as mere whining?

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-09-06 09:30pm

I give it a week before MS makes the U.S. Government force Japan into dropping the plan.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-07 12:24am

2 weeks.

The will wait for the check to clear first

I do agree, Microsoft and Fair Competiotion do not go hand in hand.

I wish they did.

I mean, let me put it this way.

If M$ really wanted to achieve total market dominance and have everyone likiing it, all they would have to do is come up with a new version of Windows at a decent price (like $50 or so), with no bugs or security holes, complete with a new version of MS Office, again with no bugs an security holes, and release them on all platforms (IBM, Mac, etc), and make it easy to use

They'd slaughter everyone

They lack the brainpower to do this. (case in point "We fix secuirty holes as they become known", the response: MSBlaster)

It's sad really.
If Windows and Office were 'perfect' or near perfect, even if they were open format, everyone would eventually switch to them, just for the ease of training. (why learn 3 software programs when you can learn 1?)

Then they'd just have to release updates every few months instead of total rewrites every 2 years.

*SIGH*
Oh well.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-09-07 01:10am

Solauren wrote:2 weeks.

The will wait for the check to clear first

I do agree, Microsoft and Fair Competiotion do not go hand in hand.

I wish they did.

I mean, let me put it this way.

If M$ really wanted to achieve total market dominance and have everyone likiing it, all they would have to do is come up with a new version of Windows at a decent price (like $50 or so), with no bugs or security holes, complete with a new version of MS Office, again with no bugs an security holes, and release them on all platforms (IBM, Mac, etc), and make it easy to use

They'd slaughter everyone

They lack the brainpower to do this. (case in point "We fix secuirty holes as they become known", the response: MSBlaster)

It's sad really.
If Windows and Office were 'perfect' or near perfect, even if they were open format, everyone would eventually switch to them, just for the ease of training. (why learn 3 software programs when you can learn 1?)

Then they'd just have to release updates every few months instead of total rewrites every 2 years.

*SIGH*
Oh well.

If they did this, wouldn't they still be called a monopoly for dominating the whole computer OS market rather than just the PC OS market?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-07 01:23am

Shinova wrote:If they did this, wouldn't they still be called a monopoly for dominating the whole computer OS market rather than just the PC OS market?

Since it stipulates that they stop every one of their anti-competitive practices, they would be dominant, not monopolistic. Mind you, if they did that, they would not be as dominant. There are a lot of people that would happily use the freeware OpenOffice instead of MSOffice if not for the file-format issue.

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