Nazis win British by-election!

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-07 07:33pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Isn't that because Griffin can't proclaim his views on the Holocaust (or lack thereof in his opinion) under EU law?

I seem to remember him being asked about this on Sky news during the last by-elections and he kept saying he couldn't deny the Holocaust happened because EU law said it was illegal to do so, I'm not sure if that is true or not but given the European mainland’s very sensitive opinion on Nazis and Holocaust deniers it wouldn't surprise me.

I, frankly, find it disgusting that a Holocaust Denier, living in Europe, could even get anywhere in politics. WTF?!?

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2003-09-07 07:49pm

ALI_G wrote: I used to live in Oldham, and believe me there is a problem. I was the subject of a racist attack in 2001 by a group of Islamic thugs who ganged up on me because I walked through a "No white zone".

There was a bloke killed in Oldham in similar circumstances quite recently wasn't there? IIRC he was from out of town and wandered into the no-go area looking for a taxi. To be honest, I find Oldham a more scarey place than Burnley or any of the other places that've been mentioned, with the possible exception of parts of Bradford.

What needs to be done at once is the assimiliation of immigrants into the British way of life and stop all this "multiculturalism" bullshit.

I tend to agree. In some ways I think it's a sad thing, but multiculturalism is plainly not working. Actually, IMO it's not a multicultural situation that we have. Let's be brutally honest about it, it's a bi-cultural situation, Asian Muslims vs Everyone Else.

I now live in a much nicer area, but I am moving in Sheffield as a student in two weeks and I am worried that there may be a repeat performance as I heard there is a large Islamic section to the city near my campus. I really don't want to have to resort to carrying an illegal weapon that could potentially ruin my life just to feel safe.

Don't carry a weapon! You're right, it could ruin your life, especially if it gets taken off you and used against you. Whatever, it rasies the stakes.

I spent a day in Sheffield last year, walking about the city, all different areas not just the nice bits, and really, though I by no means saw all of the city, it seemed to me an OK sort of place. It's affluent, comparitively speaking, its got a bigger population, a student population and these things all alleviate the problems. I certainly didn't see anything like as bad as parts of Oldham get, and at no point did I feel threatened or afraid.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-09-07 08:02pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:
I, frankly, find it disgusting that a Holocaust Denier, living in Europe, could even get anywhere in politics. WTF?!?

I don't think he has gotten anywhere, while he is the head of the party I don't believe he has ever been elected to a political position.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-09-07 08:22pm

I really don't want to have to resort to carrying an illegal weapon that could potentially ruin my life just to feel safe.

You can't carry a handgun legally?[/u]

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-07 09:19pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
I really don't want to have to resort to carrying an illegal weapon that could potentially ruin my life just to feel safe.
You can't carry a handgun legally?[/u]

Nope. It's England.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-07 09:25pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
I really don't want to have to resort to carrying an illegal weapon that could potentially ruin my life just to feel safe.
You can't carry a handgun legally?[/u]

Handguns are illegal in the UK and have been for the best part of a century, I thought this was common knowledge now.

On to the point, I'm not worried. The BNP have a wonderful history of doing jack and shit to anything of any real importance, and we have had bigger racial grey clouds on the horizon before, this is a minor niggle.

True, the Oldham and Bradford riots were big and quite good at highlighting a problem common in inner city areas where minorities mix with white locals and start gang wars and seal whole areas off to one another's race, but this isn't going to make the UK turn Nazi overnight. Or even over the decade. Many believe these are merely the acts of thugs and yobs who have nothing better to do than stand out with Nazi esque styling and hurl abuse and more physical missiles at the aggressive minority members (most likely around 16-25 in age). These are the troglogytes who have foreheads that keep the rain off their feet.

The BNP are the quickfix some people want them to be for their bigoted views on the world, fortunately, these people are outperformed on IQ tests by roadkill, so I'm actually more concerned about a Lord Sutch wannabe getting into parliament and banning one of my favourite days of the week.

Oh yeah, Preston is the nearest city to me that displays the type of ethnic diversity found in Greater Manchester and the like. Yet there are no violent encounters or social problems with the Indians, Pakistanis and other Asians and Africans etc. living there from what I have seen and they get on quite well with the white populace.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-09-07 09:59pm

The Third Man wrote:
First observation I'd make is that these are NOT rural areas. The support is strongest in former industrial towns. I'm thinking places like Burnley and Blackburn. These places have a very high Asian population (relative to other places), most of which is strongly Islamic, and that is where the hatred is targetted.

True. Alot of these former industrial towns took a hammering during the mid 70's and 80's with Thatcher in charge of the country (she was in charge of the Conservative part, the British version of the Rep's) . Inparticular those towns which had cole mines in. Now that the Cole mining industry is not as important as it used to be, unemployment and poverty are common in these areas. The memory of what Thatcher did means these people will certainly not vote conservative, and the growing disaffection with Tony Blair means they won't vote labour, so they start to view the BNP more sympathetically.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-09-07 10:01pm

Handguns are illegal in the UK and have been for the best part of a century, I thought this was common knowledge now.

Really? I just thought it was really, really restricted...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-07 10:03pm

Dirty Harry wrote:
The Third Man wrote:
First observation I'd make is that these are NOT rural areas. The support is strongest in former industrial towns. I'm thinking places like Burnley and Blackburn. These places have a very high Asian population (relative to other places), most of which is strongly Islamic, and that is where the hatred is targetted.
True. Alot of these former industrial towns took a hammering during the mid 70's and 80's with Thatcher in charge of the country (she was in charge of the Conservative part, the British version of the Rep's) . Inparticular those towns which had cole mines in. Now that the Cole mining industry is not as important as it used to be, unemployment and poverty are common in these areas. The memory of what Thatcher did means these people will certainly not vote conservative, and the growing disaffection with Tony Blair means they won't vote labour, so they start to view the BNP more sympathetically.

One would logically conclude that the Lib Dems would be the next plausible choice, yet it speaks for their political platform when Nazis are preferred over them.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-07 10:06pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Handguns are illegal in the UK and have been for the best part of a century, I thought this was common knowledge now.
Really? I just thought it was really, really restricted...

No, it is fully illegal to carry any handgun outside of a gun club or shooting gallery. The only real guns allowed for home use are double-barrel shotguns, pump-action ones and certain types of rifle and all air rifles. But this is getting off the point.

An illegal firearm is not the answer in this case, sorting out the social backlash is the priority. If we get more guns on the streets then we could have a North-West version of LA soon enough.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-07 10:22pm

Rye wrote: Nope. It's England.

He can't even carry a fucking BOX CUTTER outside of a job....sheesh

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-09-07 10:30pm

For those interested the results, complete with voter turnout can be found
here.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2003-09-08 01:57am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Reminds me of when Mogens Glistrup, a Danish politician heading a party he calls "The Progressive Party" suggested that all Muslims should be rounded up and interned into concentration camps. He was arrested and his political party was thrown out of the parlament.

Why is a British political group with the same agenda getting away so easy?

I must move to Denmark posthaste.

CmdrSweevo · Post by **CmdrSweevo** » 2003-09-08 03:35pm

ALI_G wrote: What needs to be done at once is the assimiliation of immigrants into the British way of life and stop all this "multiculturalism" bullshit.

There's nothing wrong with mutliculturalism, the problem lies in the definition it is given by those in power. The current message we're getting from Government both national and local is that while being Asian or Black is a wonderful thing, there's something inherently shameful about being British.

And while the Welsh and the Irish celebrate their saint's days with festivals and parades, local councils tell pubs that they can't fly the English flag on St George's day.

The reason the BNP appeal to the people in cities is that they're on the rough end of this and the shambolic immigration policy, and while the Tories and the Lib Dems have found much political capital in immigration only the BNP are making any noise about the English cultural identity - probably because any defense of it is immediatly labeled racist. And the electorate are ignoring the bad of the BNP's policies - the forced relocation of minority citizens, a complete halt on all immigration - in favour of its defence of the rights of the majority (because we have them too, you know) and populist policies like 20p/litre for petrol.

The real solution would be for one of the major parties to take up the banner of English culture, but this time with the emphasis placed on integration, putting it on an even footing with the minority cultures. But any party that does that will quickly be labeled racist. And so the BNP will flourish.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-09-08 04:57pm

Events like this do not help.

Fortunately, the BNP doesn't really have a hold in the Midlands, and due to the large Indian population here, is unlikely to get much of one.

(For illustration, I used to walk along the road in that picture every day from home to work.)[/u]

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-09 10:11am

Bob McDob wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:Reminds me of when Mogens Glistrup, a Danish politician heading a party he calls "The Progressive Party" suggested that all Muslims should be rounded up and interned into concentration camps. He was arrested and his political party was thrown out of the parlament.

Why is a British political group with the same agenda getting away so easy?
I must move to Denmark posthaste.

Don't be that eager. In Denmark, it's very easy for extremists to get political influence as long they are sufficiently eloquent.

I'd rather suggest Sweden - they have their political extremists too, but they're too incompetent to accomplish that much.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-09-09 10:18am

CmdrSweevo wrote:
ALI_G wrote: What needs to be done at once is the assimiliation of immigrants into the British way of life and stop all this "multiculturalism" bullshit.
There's nothing wrong with mutliculturalism, the problem lies in the definition it is given by those in power. The current message we're getting from Government both national and local is that while being Asian or Black is a wonderful thing, there's something inherently shameful about being British.

Current message? And here I thought holding a healthy level of shame and contempt for our heritage was a cultural value dating back to the Romans.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-09-09 12:35pm

Of course, carrying a weapon...such a great idea

I've been jumped and had a knife pulled on me before, it doesnt mean shit if you have a clue about martial arts....I simply floored the three that attacked me with a little help from my house keys. Carrying a blade here can carry around 10 years IIRC, its pretty steep but it has worked well discouraging people from carrying them....far better than any real weapon for protecting yourself from someone with a stanley knife, razor blade or any such thing is a simple umbrella.

Anyway, onto the BNP, unfortunately there is a lot of feelings of inequality in various places around the country. This is due in part to many of the points mentioned above, but also part of it is the bi-cultural situation mentioned, in many areas there is a definite divide between cultures....

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-09 03:36pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
I'd rather suggest Sweden - they have their political extremists too, but they're too incompetent to accomplish that much.

They've also got one of it not the highest tax rate in the world.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-09-10 11:02am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
I'd rather suggest Sweden - they have their political extremists too, but they're too incompetent to accomplish that much.
They've also got one of it not the highest tax rate in the world.

Actually, the Danish tax rate is the highest in the world.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-09-10 07:16pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:
I'd rather suggest Sweden - they have their political extremists too, but they're too incompetent to accomplish that much.
They've also got one of it not the highest tax rate in the world.

This does't bother us in England.

We have a low direct tax rate, but absolutely monstrous taxes on absolutely everything else.

(About 75% of the price of a gallon of petrol here is tax)