Hyperspace Content Discussion

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-08 02:51am

Episode III Set Diary text and images are copyright © 2003 Lucasfilm Ltd.
and may not be reposted in any form or medium.

Does this mean we can't discuss text excerpts and/or pictures about Hyperspace in message boards at all?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-09-08 02:59am

Absolutely. You cannot post images from hyperspace anywhere, nor quote things from hyperspace verbatim. Paraphrase yes. Have you done that?

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-09-08 03:08am

I fail to see how this overrules Fair Use.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-09-08 07:22am

Dalton wrote:I fail to see how this overrules Fair Use.

Isn't Fair Use only applicable to public materials? While infomation on the web has been routinely detailed as in the public domain, Lucasfilm has consistently decleared her copyright authority on SW websites through the use of her Cease & Desist Orders.

This has not only applied to websites using SW fan art, technical discussions and the sale of lightsabres, but has even been applied to text like a totally orginal video, set in the SWU, sent for an Australian Film competition.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-08 10:34am

Vympel wrote:Absolutely. You cannot post images from hyperspace anywhere, nor quote things from hyperspace verbatim. Paraphrase yes. Have you done that?

Actually, I've been guilty of exact quotes and pictures from Hyperspace. I've deleted the pictures. But paraphrasing certain points from the Ep3 diary doesn't lend itself to debates where exact quotes, not reinterpretations, are needed.

Guess we'll have to wait to discuss this stuff in a public forum.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-08 05:03pm

How can you criminalize the very quoting of text?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-08 09:23pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:How can you criminalize the very quoting of text?

You start by being rich as fuck and hiring an army of lawyers.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-08 09:49pm

Oh, that.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2003-09-09 08:30am

If you're quoting the material to critique Hyperspace as a publication, they probably wouldn't do anything. It would be the quoting of Hyperspace as part of a discussion of Star Wars overall, and in particular making inferences about or discussing Episode III, that they don't want people doing.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-09-09 08:38pm

If some people really want to debate using Hyperspace material, we can E-mail SW.com, and ask them if we can set up a new private forum for people with Hyperspace, in which Hyperspace material is used.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-10 10:44pm

Ah, screw it:

Over the last couple of days, I've been chatting plot points with Jonathan Rinzler, visiting Senior Editor from LucasBooks. More than most of the crew, we tend to think about the ramifications of the Episode III plot, and how it sends ripples throughout the fictional galaxy. As the editor of the future Visual Dictionary and other sourcebooks to be spun out of Episode III, he needs to keep in mind the big picture. Keeping abreast of Expanded Universe developments is also part of my job.

This conversation reminds me of the inevitable Expanded Universe / movie canon debates that always pop up online. I've always considered such arguments a waste of time for the most part (it's all fictional, after all), but I do respect that the stability of the universe's continuity does mean a great deal to many fans. With that in mind, here's a heads up for future debaters.

For Expanded Universe-is-canon proponents, the inclusion of a character, vehicle designs and other concept art created or expanded in literature will add fuel to their arguments.

For those movie purists who like to counter with pointing out (apparent) contradictions, there's at least two lines of dialogue -- one dealing with the Jedi </databank/organization/thejediorder/> Council, the other with the Republic -- that will require some creative interpretation to make the universe one big happy place again.

At one point in the duel, computer-generated debris falls into frame, and one of the combatants must be careful to deflect it. Thinking ahead, John Knoll and Pablo Helman ask what exactly may be falling into the shot. "A thermocapsulary dehousing assister," deadpans George Lucas. In other words, they'll figure that out later.

In the background stand Senator Po Nudo and his aide in returning costumes from Episode II. I'll never look at the Aqualish quite the same since I've found out that Nick Gillard has taken to calling them "beavers," inspired by their prolific dental appendages. Also in the background are Passel Argente and his aide, Denaria Kee, although they have new costumes. I'm surprised to see Denaria identified as such on the call sheet, since that name was established in the Episode II Visual Dictionary and not by Production. During Production, the aide had the jokey name of Twink Kee.

The call sheets also list computer-generated characters, but they're of course nowhere to be seen. Poggle the Lesser, Wat Tambor, Shu Mai and San Hill will return, though not all will be present in this particular room. In discussing the digital Separatists, I point out to John Knoll the explosive peculiarities of the Skakoan physiology. That is, I mention that should Wat Tambor's pressure suit ever get breached, then, according to the books at least, he should explode.
He found the idea intriguing.

"Well, they start to turn to different sources when they need it, that's why you get the differences," offers George as an explanation. "We get a model that isn't the Jango version, that doesn't bump his head on doors. But then we get versions that can't shoot straight," he laughs. "I can see the corruption in the Empire: someone says to the Emperor, my cousin would like to fight in the wars, but he doesn't want to do any of the actual fighting. Can you clone him? Well, can he shoot? Ah, yeah. Sure he can."

"So how did Anakin get that scar, George?" asks John Knoll

"I don't know. Ask Howard," says George, referring to President of Lucas Licensing Howard Roffman. "That's one of those things that happens in the novels between the movies. I just put it there. He has to explain how it got there. I think Anakin got it slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that."

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-11 09:03pm

Break the flipping links so it can't be traced here dude! if you are going to flout the rules, lets atleast be smart about it.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-09-11 11:50pm

What links?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-11 11:53pm

Vympel wrote:What links?

Edited out

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-09-12 01:29am

People generally pay money to buy books. They can be read from libraries as well, but that's after they were paid for. You can post text from books by fair use. I don't see how this is any different from that.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-12 07:33pm

I'd imagine it falls under the same thing that the NBA uses so you have to get "express written consent"in order to reshow a game.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-09-19 02:49pm

In one of the last set diaries..... STAR DESTROYERS have been confirmed

Woo fuckin' Hooo!

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-09-19 03:56pm

For Expanded Universe-is-canon proponents, the inclusion of a character, vehicle designs and other concept art created or expanded in literature will add fuel to their arguments.

I know this has been discussed before, but I can't help but feel giggly when I reread this statement. darkstar must be hemorraghing by now.